First 100% electric Ferrari in 2025 - confirmed

That's the thing though. I'm one of the youngest people on here and hate all the new tech and thought of an EV. All of my gearhead friends the same age feel the same way. Maybe it's different for the Instagram tools who only care about the latest and greatest thing. They are the only reason the cyber truck became successful with sales.

I got to test drive the Roma with a good friend of mine from the gated murci world and we couldn't figure out how to do just about anything on that car. It was obnoxious. I don't need everything to be a touch screen and techy just because it can.

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Sure, you can fine-tune the torque, tweak the horsepower, adjust for weight like you’re prepping for F1, and throw in active dampers with artificial sound effects straight out of Gran Turismo 7. Will it ever be 100%? No

Let’s be honest, there are always going to be those folks who think anything less than live music is a crime against humanity—radios are just glorified noise machines to them. These are the same people who will only watch Hamlet in a drafty theater and refuse to ever read it, who’d chuck a $10,000 massage chair on the lawn because "it’s just not the same," wrinkle their nose at Febreze like it’s toxic waste, and wouldn’t touch an Impossible burger even if it could save them from a heart attack. Because, you know, principles.

We already live in an artificial world, the real answer is how much Diet Coke Zero does one have to drink until you're not a genuine "Coke" fan.

Esports - Real sports? No, but the number of players, viewers, and the MONEY sure is.

Don't get me wrong, faux vs real - real every freaking time for me, but life is about compromises - just look at what the top 10 streaming sites (sans Youtube) are about.

“Life moves pretty fast. If you don’t stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.”
– Ferris Bueller

 

Ferrari are not blind or dumb. They spend time speaking to clients, and they know a portion of their clients will not buy the EV but others will. There's a reason pricing starts $500k, and that is most likely because they realize it will not be a top seller, but will be a car that they can produce for a subset of clients but still in very profitable way. Someone who is paying probably close to $600k optioned for a pure EV doesn't care about the resell value, but more so is looking at having the EV "practicality" with the Ferrari brand around it or is buying allocations. It will be more interesting to see how long the pure EV version of these vehicles stays around vs the hybrid models which have historically proven to be the proper direction thus far (Toyota). I do hope future design decisions include a focus on balancing the tech on the inside such as the reliance on screens for example. I'd love to have some buttons back in certain places, but we will see how that goes.

 

I agree fully and I have welcomed change in pretty much every aspect of life as I've gotten older, the worst thing is to be an old man complaining about everything new being bad

if it's possible to make it feel light in synthetically then also fine - it's just I own a few EV's and not witnessed it myself yet

 

This is a common misconception that gets repeated on this forum and by automotive journalists at large as they shove their EV revolution down our throats. They believe that this new generation of younger buyers will just line up to buy any EV because it’s the thing to do. What they don’t realize is that the same young people that are buying the 296/720s/Huracans of the world are not the same people lining up to buy Teslas and Lucids, at least not for the same reason. They may own a Tesla or a Taycan as their DD, but they aren’t buying an EV as their fun car on the weekend.

People who buys supercars are typically car enthusiasts and they are the most vocal pushing back on the electrification of their beloved hobby. It doesn’t matter the age. People who buy EVs are typically not car people and view the purchase as a method to get from point A to point B. If they are a car enthusiast, the the EV is likely viewed as a gas saving DD.

I do not believe there is a robust market of wealthy Gen Z buyers who will be lining up to buy EV supercars. I believe Porsche will learn this the hard way with their new Cayman and I believe any manufacturer that attempts to launch a <$500k EV super car will also learn the hard way. The Rimac is a bit of an exception due to its ultra high price tag and exclusively, but even then they can’t even sell out the whole production run.

 

Well said @ferrarifanatic25. Matches my anecdotal observations precisely.

I've wondered if they're selling them because they think they'll eventually be forced to. If one expects to be forced to sell something in ten years, it's probably not a great strategy to signal to your customers that it's an inferior product by declining to offer them until there's no alternative. Better to embrace it now and develop a market by persuading people that they're desirable. (Good luck.)

If policymakers are becoming a little more pragmatic and will walk back from their vision of an EV utopia, it will be interesting to see how strategies evolve.

 

TBH a lot of adoption with EV sports cars, supercars, hyper cars, etc. comes down to weight / handling performance.

If and when that problem is resolved you will see a seismic shift in attitude towards EVs within the enthusiast community, even with hold outs.

EVs are exclusively one trick ponies where as Hybrids do everything nearly perfect but still have a slight weight penalty.

 

We'll see. No doubt improved driving dynamics would help adoption considerably.

But for some of us, the ICE is intrinsic to our love for cars. The varied ways they deliver power and torque and respond to your right foot, the sounds, the smells, the sense of connection between man and machine. It's hard for me to imagine getting excited about a car that doesn't have the character that an ICE offers.

I know there are attempts to replicate the ICE character, and that may satisfy some subset of enthusiasts. But for me personally, a synthetic approximation is far less interesting. Perhaps better than nothing, but given the choice, why would I choose a replica over the genuine article? Why listen to the album when I can hear the band live in my garage any time?

Perhaps my perspective makes me a dinosaur (though FWIW, I'm 45 - old to some, young to others). I can only speculate about how pervasive my preferences are. Though @ferrarifanatic25's description of the dynamics matches my limited observations.

 

I’m not supporting an EV Ferrari in any way shape or form. But if they do make one- make it fun in ways not yet done by other EV manufacturers.
The Nevera-not great looking
The Battista- the 458’s evil looking and gorgeous twin whose soul was taken by the devil leaving an empty shell of car at 2.6 million. Blistering performance both but not fun. They don’t challenge you to be great at driving just great at straight line acceleration by adjusting a few virtual knobs and stomping on the virtual accelerator. One trick ponies all. Make a super EV That weighs 3200 pounds and dances like a Speciale then maybe we are getting there. Unfortunately currently EVs are like early digital music, easy to use and for easy listening but not for serious audiophiles.
May be Ferrari will be able to pull it off but Pininfarina and Rimac haven’t been able to pull it off yet despite the super heavy price tag.


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Don't worry, the e-factory will be used to grow apples and vegetables before it gets to that point... at least I hope so.
Because frankly, it's still better to make ashtrays with 500 Dollars bills rather than buying this thing...

 

@jumpinjohn

If not for investment by the Saudi Public fund, Lucid would be filing for bankruptcy shortly.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-11-09/saudis-find-a-bottomless-ev-money-pit-in-lucid-lcid

 

Rimac is not an exception, the rule, nobody wants them. Their entire Nevera production run of 150 cannot even muster 40% that after years of promotion...making an even more expensive version is destined to the same fate, nothing to show for all that effort.

@NGooding ---forced to sell/produce is quite different than forced to buy...

 

100%.

My point is only that if they're going to be forced to make them, they will be thinking hard about how they will be able to sell them. I tend to think the Ferrari brand is worth much less in a world of 100% EVs. Presumably they would want to prove me wrong.

 

Well, first there is the fact than 100% EV is impossible, at least at the current scale of overall production for all light vehicles. For a tiny company like Ferrari, yes, it is possible, but for industry as a whole completely impossible. Next, even if somehow 100% EV production is possible, there is no way the current electrical production (worldwide) can keep up with that new demand. It would take several decades to build out new power generation, new transmission towers/transformers, including upgrading every house's service to be double or more its current service level, etc.

And, without sufficient demand, many car companies will go bankrupt, which is ultimately the goal of the agenda. And, no matter what, 45%+ of current car owners do not have ability to plug in overnight for various reasons regardless of the availability of electricity. Again, the long term goal.

Best way to fight this agenda is to simply allow all EV companies to go bankrupt, which is currently underway due to lack of demand and others that have EV as part of their portfolio will stop production as it is a loss leader. Even true believers like Porsche are back off Taycan production, I expect the Macan EV will also be met with underwhelming results. Tesla will have a serious decline due to its inability to balance its accounts by selling 'credits' due nearly all other manufacturers deriving their own.

And, if you look at EV 'sales records' they are contaminated with non-EV sales such as hybrids. Outside of distorted economies run by dictatorships such as PRC, EVs simply cannot and will not prevail.

For those that believe Norway is an example need to realize the huge subsidies of its government do play a role and the fact that it is tiny market, Los Angeles is a bigger market than all of Norway. And most in Norway are only adding an EV (i.e. subsidies), not using it to replace liquid fuel vehicles.

 

Preaching to the choir @JTSE30, at least in my case.

 

Ahh. Thanks!


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They might as well offer one. It might just be great.

 

well said. Would I buy an EV for my daily driver? Absolutely.

would I buy one for a fun weekend car? Absolutely not.

 

This is how it will go….Ferrari will make a limited number of these, as it will be expensive and they don’t have huge capacity for EVs anyways. There are at least 1,000 top tier/VIPs that will be pressured to buy one, to ensure continued access to Iconas, numbered cars, etc. The F250 buyers have already been selected, maybe they get told they need to order this thing too.

That’s 2-3 years of production right there and Ferrari can claim it’s a success. And you can’t argue it, how many Lucid Air Sapphires have sold for 250k? I bet not many.

 

good points, I think Ferrari can't afford to make it look like it was a failure and will do everything they can to control the 2nd hand market too

 

cmon a ferrari ev you got to be kidding

 

People of the world. Unite and vote-in politicians who support ICE.

 

Will owners of an all electric Ferrari drive the car more?

Or will owners still be afraid of depreciation due to mileage?

 

I’ve even considered leasing a Y or 3 lately just to have an easy runabout - essentially a golf cart.