LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

That's very curious indeed, normally Ferrari race mode is pretty usable on the streets, though not the most recommended, I wonder if this time they will link the full attack mode to the Race position in Manettino, or if there will be dedicated setting separated from the classic ones, just for the aero trick and lowered ride.

Very curious to find out about the different technical briefs, which one you would judge as more extreme?

 

Michael Leiters joined McLaren 1 July 2022. I’m not sure exactly what date he left Ferrari (presumably some months prior) however by that point he must have already known a lot about the F250.

 

I noticed that the F250 ride height was lowered in some of the spy shots which suggests a track-only race mode to lower the CG and also improve downforce. While theoretically possible to use on public streets, the driver will need to be extra careful to avoid scraping the underside over imperfections and crowns. Also, I expect the driver will need to acknowledge a disclaimer on the control panel when activating race mode that they will not be operating it on public roads (headlight/bumper height compliance). We'll see if my suspicions are correct.

I expect the F250 to be more extreme in terms of focus on ultimate lap times and will likely have more compromises with respect to comfort/space/visibility.

 

They don't even bother trying... 1700Kg!! in a hypercar... Unbelievable

 

We had three v12 in a row in the ultimate series – all great, but I applaud Ferrari for not doing the same thing over and over again.
From all that is reported and rumored the F250 will have an immensely complicated powertrain, that has strong roots into racing. If the engine is a structural member of the chassis, it will give the car a very special character.
The Valkyrie is a mad thing, I love it, but there are so many for sale at the moment, that I don‘t think, it‘s enough to build a barley drivable car that is nice to look at. Even the V12 doesn‘t help.
Trying new things always triggers fans and traditionalists but opens new doors. I think Ferrari is very good at this: going forward, trying new things, knowing the history but don‘t rely solely on it.
Btw. The F50 is now the ultimate reduced-to-the-max-Supercar and very sought after. When it came out, everyone hated it despite it’s F1 V12.

 

The presentation video said that 1400 is the kerb weight, not the dry weight.

 

The V12 sure as hell help.

 

Why only 4 litre ?!?
We want 6.5 litre NA V12 pumping out 1500 HP and 1000 kg kerb weight.

 

If a porker with a ****ty V6 is the best Ferrari can do, then they are ****ed.

 

The McLaren F1 had an engine from a BMW saloon driven by taxi drivers. The P1 had an engine block from a 90s Nissan and turbos originally from a Mitsubishi. Does this invalidate these cars? Let’s be sensible here, wait and judge the car on its merits.

Let’s not play the cynical game as it risks sounding like 12 year olds on YouTube comments.

 

only thing close to this is ZONDA 760 but still half of the power and weight more than 1200kg and price over 10 milion

 

Ferrari is a huge brand, produces loads of cars, is in direct competition with other OEM's.

You cannot compare F250 to Pagani, Koenigsegg, Bugatti etc.

Small brands who in the case of Pagani have followed the same formula for 10 years, Koenigsegg with a "resto throwback" CC8S car, Bugatti with a big expensive product because their brand allows them. GMA is an amazing car, but where is the innovation? They are proven concepts, interpreted and developed. Valkyrie would never have a V12 if AM made their own motorsports engine.

Ferrari would be questioned at if they released an "old" hypercar.

F250 with all the modern engine, production and material technology is the only way Ferrari can launch a halo product to make a statement in the open market.

Do I agree? Is the F250 a car for the purist? No!

Is the F250 a car for the TOP Ferrari collector, a symbol of their allegiance to the brand, and the most technological Ferrari available to drivers outside those who receive a salary from the factory? YES!

Wil any of them be drivable in 50 years, in the way no SR-71 Blackbirds are flying in private use? Who knows?!

 

We're not going to tell ourselves stories and believe in them on top of that... the only reason why Ferrari didn't make a new engine is that it's expensive, and "especially" that they are aware that whatever engine they put in it (a recycled V6) in this case, it will be sold out! So there's no point in making efforts and spending money.
Wanting to legitimize everything, you play against your own side, and it doesn't seem to be a problem
for the vast majority...so...

 

I see many people talking about making "something new". But the "new" has to be an advance; change cannot be a goal in itself.

I'm sorry, but a turbocharged V6 weighing 1,700 kg for such a noble "halo" lineage is a disappointment. It's a huge "downgrade", regardless of whether they use Le Mans as marketing, or super aerodynamics, materials, etc. The engine is the heart and soul of a Ferrari.

If they wanted a good innovation, they would make a V10 (it would be something new) or a more compact V12, totally new, to work with hybrid.

Ferrari has the people and resources to make an incomparable engine, and something noble in terms of machinery.

This "halo" lineage, in addition to performance, is a collector's item. How desirable will this car be in 10 years, when it is no longer at the top of performance?

That said, I hope the car has something surprising coming from the e-turbos (using pressure and exhaust gases to release the natural sound), that would at least be something positive.

 

I fail to see the attraction—besides the small size and low weight—of a 1.6 l (98 cu. in. !!), 90 deg., uneven-firing V6 that was the configuration that was imposed by-committee as a cost saving rule. How torquey can that engine be driven around town and how good can it sound?

The 120 deg. V6 is even-firing and has similar sound harmonics as a V12 so it’s a good choice for a compact engine with high energy density. If people are complaining about weight and (I suppose) its impact on handling, a small, compact V6 is better than a V12.

What’s probably hurting the weight quite a bit is the DCT gearbox. But the for driving ‘comfort’ and smoothness—and Ferrari knows what their clientele wants—a DCT can’t be beat.

 

The message is clear: don’t buy the car, buy company shares!

 

I would never put a € in the Mercedes, but at least they are not part of a large production engine !!!

 

I don't think the video specified. 1,399kg is the confirmed dry weight.

 

Understood but ‘production’ is a big word for an engine made in the hundreds and not hundreds of thousands.

Also, the V6 in the 499P has very little in common with the ‘production’ V6–starting with the stressed block—and we don’t know how much of that engine is used on the F250.

 

Agree with all of this and I do wonder when exactly the decision was made to go V6 as opposed to V12 and whether in fact there was a V12 developed and a change was made mid programme because I do not believe development of this car only started five years ago when the La Ferrari was launched 10 years ago. In reality in some respects this car may make a 296 look like a relative bargain.

 

Straight from the horse’s (not Ferrari ) website:

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No, sorry, I don’t think so. The development costs for a V6 platform that can be used in race cars and road cars, as structural member or with a subframe, hot V configuration with e-turbos and many more technical tricks is extremely expensive. Much more expensive than a classic N/A V12.
Using a variation of there existing V12 with a few modifications would have been the cheap trick …
Ferrari has never developed a completely new engine for one „halo“ car. They were all based on existing engines.

 

How is the atmosphere in the marketing department at the moment ?

 

Well F140 for Enzo was a brand new V12 generation.

 

Haha, No, sorry, I’m sadly not connected to Ferrari …