LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

The wheel in the @TSOYBELIS picture looks like the wheels seen on many of the later prototypes. Most likely CF with silver painted rim and bare CF, polished black spokes, usually camo’d with blue tape. The reflection of the black spoke in the picture gives the false impression that it is also painted silver, like the rim.

 

Modern interpretation of the f40 wheel with aero integration would look great. Hopefully an owner does this.

 

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I landed late last night from Italy, I am totally behind on this thread so I might be sharing stuff that has already been shared, but here I go without divulging anything proprietary form the presentation:

Its amazing, full stop!

Take a valkyrie and put a body on it by Ferrari. I will not go into the technology, but its better than the W1 in so many ways, which you will see when it launches. The car moves Ferrari and the industry forward. Makes a V12 extremely OLD, and obsolete, which for a high performance "race car" is important. Any added weight that everyone is so concerned with is worth the tradeoff, what you get for it outperforms that added few pounds.

Styling, think Jaguar XJ220, Murcielago, when these cars came out, they did not look like road cars, they looked like something different. This car is something different, NOT a street car, but a supercar. You have to put the LaFerrari aside, you need to appreciate the design of this car for what it is, and it is awinspring. Tough, wide, low, long, aggressive, angular but with beautiful form, a perfect marriage of form and tension, light and shadow, materiality and painted reflective surfaces. You cannot and will not fully appreciate the styling in photographs, you need to see it in person, and not in artificial light, but sunlight. Cars are design to be read by the human eyes in person, not photographs (trust me I know, I have a degree in automobile design) and we would always struggle with the difference of in person vs. photographs. It is modern styling, not where styling has been, but where it is going, which is important as this is a car of the future. The interior will impress you, a new idea and different in function and styling than any existing car.

If you are a hater when it launches, you will not be when you see the car, trust me. The car is exactly what it needed to be, so take you time to fully understand it because if you do, you will be thrilled, as I am.

 

With respect I completely disagree with the bold. I'm sure it is a fantastic car but the V12 is part of Ferrari.

 

I was thinking the same thing, but in person the molded grill looks fantastic, so low, so aggressive, gives real character to the face, super aggressive.

 

What is the interior like in terms of the steering wheel and overall dashboard layout?

 

All I will say is different, the seating position is different, the steering wheel is different, the passenger area is different. Sorry guys I do not want to divulge any specifics here, trying to straddle the line of what I feel I can say.

 

Sorry but a bigger part of Ferrari history, and maybe the most important, is taking their current race technology and putting it into street cars. I remind you that two of the five "hypercars" in the Ferrari big five lineup are not V12's. IMHO

 

Now, three of six are not V12. 50%.

 

As for the how the statistics tell the story of the significance of V12 engines in Ferrari's racing history, only 2 of Ferrari's 16 F1 Constructor World Championship wins were with V12 powered cars. Six were won with V6 powered cars. And for the World Endurance Championships (Ferrari has also won 16 of these), 9 of them were won with V12 powered cars (and most of these in the 1950s and 1960s).
In other words, 11 of 32 World Championship wins were captured using V12 powered cars. There's certainly an argument to be made for the great significance of Ferraris using something other than V12 engines when used in anger at what Ferrari does best.

 

Dude, you drank too much Limoncello in Italy, get over it

 

That's it, we start to rewrite history to justify this car. For information, the history of Ferrari in racing is not limited to F1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

You're very correct. That's why I also cited the 16 World Endurance Championships that Ferrari has won.

 

I was working as a waitress in a cocktail bar, serving limoncello!

 

I don’t like black wheels but I like the little silver spokes even less. Hope to see just the plain, polished black spokes as they appear in the teaser.

 

Gentlemen , the discussion is pretty clear, for those missing the old elegant but sporty v12 feeling, nothing will be better than the F12TDF and 812, or SP3 Daytona if lucky enough, FXXK aside.
For competing in the new age, there was need a new paradigm, willing or not, we should be glad this halo car is still a V6 and not an EV like mission E or tesla smartphone on wheel car. In other words, it's ok to miss glorious V12, but wining so much for a V6 representing the most advanced road homologated engine in production, while in a few years we may be doomed to vacuum cleaners with batteries, is not going to bring any change now. Every car is already sold, Ferrari is back to the levels people expects from the brand, and I would take a 250 with V6 any day over a V12 Purosangue SUV or a 12C with its clean but very plain and totally unexciting style, (imho a severe downgrade compared to TDF and superfast).

 

Four actually: 1961, 1964, 1982, 1983. Ferrari contested the 1964 F1 Championship with 3 different cars though (a V6, a V8 and a V12), so in reality it won 3 1/3 titles with V6 F1 cars.

Again four (4): 1975, 1976, 1977, 1979.


I believe there are some mistakes regarding the Endurance titles too.

 

Formula 1 engines, powering the pinnacle of motorsports, are all V6 hybrids. There was a glory time in the past where screaming V12's ruled in F1, but those days are gone forever.

 

Is it possible that the name will have "6" in it since it has 6 cylinders and it is the sixth halo car?

 

F1 has not been the pinnacle in 15 years.

 

6 for many is unlucky # and is bad in many faith's

 

My understanding was that there were 3 (not 6, my mistake) F1 Championships with V6 cars:

1. 1958 - Mike Hawthorn with the Ferrari 246 F1.
2. 1961 - Phil Hill with the Ferrari 156 F1.
3. 1982 - Didier Pironi with the Ferrari 126C.

I'll double check the details on these cars, again.

As for the 4 Championships you mentioned from the 1970s, those were with Flat-12 cars. I specifically said V12.

Regardless, so that we (I) don't misdirect this thread, the point is that Ferrari has a substantial and highly successful history with cars powered by something other than V12 engines.

 

The leaked image is gone, and I did not save it on instagram. With less than 12 hours to go you’ll surely make it with a good rest and jog around the way

Yes actually, but not in the way most would think LOL I’ll explain once it’s revealed (it will be cheesy but true)

 

Actually it is. Ferrari just hasn't won a title in 15 years...

I am aware about the number 4, which is considered unlucky in China, Japan and other Far East countries. Haven't heard anything about 6. Anyway, Ferrari already has the 296.

You spoke about the 16 F1 Constructors Championships, so the drivers are irrelevant. Anyway Ferrari drivers have won 15 titles, the team has won 16.

The Flat 12 is technically a 180 degree V12. It is different to a Boxer engine, which is also flat.

I agree with your last statement. The V12 might be the quintessential Ferrari engine, but Ferrari has a long tradition with other configurations as well.