Ferrari F80

The performance of cars has peaked long ago beyond what is viable on the road. That wasn't the case when Enzo was alive. So apples to oranges. The consequence is that the performance is no longer the dominant factor that makes a great Ferrari. And to be honest, it has alway been a combination of performance and looks. There's nothing wrong with criticizing a new car, predominantly because it looks bad.

 

For this shape of design... the Nissan R390 shows what elegance looks like.
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I just find weird we got almost zero info on MGU-H and E-turbo innovations...maybe they want to keep secret hidden?
Moreover, launching without an emotional 3 minutes clip when you have Charles and plenty of tracks or italian beautiful landscapes to choose, seems lazy negligence.

 

ferrari zeekr……soon

no soul, bye bye Ferrari

 

I think it looks nice in black on a black background because with that you don't see all the breaks in the lines and the ugly black stripe in front (generally I love the idea of the Daytona-front - but on a GT and not that kind of hypercar. And also not in the way in was executed in black both on the F80 and the 112Cilindri).

 

I think all F80 willgo through the Tailor made program so, if you don't like the black front stripe, you can have it painted in the color you prefer

Ciao

 

Lots of emotion! At the risk of offending some of the fellow Fchatters I would suggest you wait to see the car first.
When the F50 launched -not sure how many of you remember the launch- most people said it is the ugliest thing ever. Now most people consider it beautiful and I am one of them. When the LaF launched I was the first to say I don’t like the design; today I adore my car and drive it frequently. I still remember the comments on the SP3 when it came out, Lukewarm to say the least and if you dont remember they are available on Fchat. All you need to do to gauge what people feel about it today is watch what happens around any parked SP3…I still havent met a person that didn’t tell me they consider the car gorgeous.

The F80 is a very striking car. In the metal it looks highly technical, the detail is amazing and the visible mechanical components represent the focus of the engineering team perfectly. I also thought the interior was exceptionally made, really beautiful and the driving position is fantastic and much easier to access than the SP3 (on par with LaF).
Do I prefer a V6 to a V12? No but this is what Ferrari focus on for their racing endeavours now and the work done to get as much performance out of the car is amazing. The sound we heard at the presentation is also really nice, much better than any turbo V8 Ferrari produced so far and not far behind the modern GPF-equipped V12s. Of course a LaF sounds better, but it is not possible to have that sound with today’s noise regulations.

I think if you compare the design to a F40, I do not consider the F80 inferior. Actually the two cars are similar in philisophy which surprised me as I thought the spiritual successor to the F40 would come through the Icona channel. I do agree with many here that dream of objectively beautiful Ferraris like a 250 Lusso or a 288GTO, but it appears to me that Ferrari now reserve those designs for Icona and I certainly think they hit the mark with the SP1/2/3

Overall I think this is a car that a Ferrarista would really enjoy owning.

My only question mark is on the number produced. I do hope the 799 number includes the Apertas!

 

Having to paint a car black for it to “look nice” I think is a sign that the design is unsuccessful

 

If Manzini won't allow it in the 12C, would he allow it here?

 

Maybe you’re not old enough to remember, but when the 288 was released it was most certainly considered ‘rolling art’. Of course, there would have been the odd disapproving voice, but on the whole it was considered an instant beauty. This, on the other hand, seems to be about 80/20 against.

 

Not so. Murray, himself, described it as “a return to beauty”.

 

In round numbers, Sammy Hagars LaF sold for the same dollars as one an F80.

I loves me some Sammy, but I’d rather have an F80!

Kevin

 

This V6 "hypercar" nonsense is a total joke. Where where where is Ferrari going and who let the design stick with this mosaic of styling differences??? A Daytona front AGAIN from the 12C supposed inspiration for that car. The front view looks like the cockpit is sinking into a barge and almost has a Carrera GT look, though that worked and this doesn't. Because it's too technical and not SMOOTH AND ELEGANT like Ferrari used to be. Too much tech garbage and design. Ferrari, stick to the design passion and CUORE that you had originally when starting. Hard pass on this and recent models from the brand unfortunately for me. Oh, and can't wait to hear the "sound" it has. Dyson and Hoover--watch out because Ferrari and other companies are coming for you with the vacuum sounds.

 

When the 288 GTO launched it was just over my,quite good, yearly salary @ 75K gbp....expensive yes but not unobtainable .The F40 was around double that a few years later, still within dreaming distance.

Nowadays though its a completely different ball game!

 

The cuore is gone since August 1988.
Today the only cuore is $$$$$$$$.
PS: I like the Dyson and Hoover remarks!!!

Marcel Massini

 

I want to ask you guys something which I couldn't process myself. I was watching CarWow's video on F80, where Mat Watson said Ferrari designed F80 with the highlight on technology, rather than car's aesthetics, so that Icona niche would not get offended. This sounded so absurd to me; what do you say?

 

Murray's idea was NOT to be outlandish looking on purpose. He's said so. He didn't say he made it intentionally poor looking. Its not. His goal was to make a supercar that could be used everyday. And he did. Ferrari's goal was not to worry about everyday driving and make a technological marvel. And they did. Two different ways of thinking but both produced vehicles with mid engines, 4 wheels, and crazy performance.

But let's not get off track on what Murray said in this section.

 

Well, this is I think my point. There is no perfect solution here. Its a question of what the end goal was.

Is a current bare F1 car pretty or attractive? I don't think so. Its not meant to be. 100% of its goal is to go faster within the rules than the other guy. And we accept that and admire them for what they do, but not what they look like (other than graphics which doll them up).

Now, I can guarantee you some designer could sit down and design his own F1 design just to make it attractive but ignore the rules and the function. But it couldn't race so what good is it?

There is a balance between form and function. The F80 IMO moves that needle a bit too close to 100% function where I feel a Ferrari supercar might be too far. That's all I'm saying. That doesn't make it ugly. It makes it different.

 

I don't think they purposefully sacrificed design and moved the needle toward function. I just think its a bad design. The Laferrari was much more functional and faster than Enzo, but design was still good.

 

I think Ferrari and Patek Philippe are trying out now edgy designs

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Beautiful..would they allow it on a real car?

 

I think we have reached the point where the goal to be the "ultimate" supercar on performance has peaked. The cars are now capable of performance numbers that exceed every driver in the forum. Perhaps this will be a liberation and designers can go back to designing artwork without worrying about lbs of downforce generated and beating the next guy's acceleration numbers. The goal can now be create a beautiful work of art and let the engineers pull performance from within the design constraints. Let function follow the form now. It's time.

 

clearly not sure... but you can wrap it after

 

The problem is unless you are allocated a F80, the secondary market for one will be starting way north of list price.. the La Ferrari was 1.4 USD list now 5 million USD.. would not be surprised to see them in a year or so at 7 USD plus