Ferrari F80

Wow, Ferrari manages to make wonderful cars like the F80 despite being dead.
Competing manufacturers will be relieved to know that

 

Maybe the same who will pay USD 4M for a car - specifically the 288 GTO, a twin turbo V8- with basically the 308 GTB QV engine and body shape too

Ciao

 

Mine too - would be my grail car if I had the money followed by CGT.

MDS

 

You seem to be so negative about this car. Smacks of jealousy since you probably do not have the funds to purchase it.

 

well i let myself have a few days and a lot of looks, and have decided i like the F80.
i understand the design and the engine choices. they are derivatives of the racing program and they are there partly by regulation and partly for purpose, and ultimately i predict this car will be the performance standard bearer of all the hypercars coming now and in the next year.

some have already said this, and it is ferraris stated objective, that the icona series are the 'art' cars, and the halo cars are now the performance apex cars.
i love the sp3 for the design cues of the past, the flowing lines, and the NA v12.

but i get the F80.

that said.......the price tag is high, and they will sell each and every one, and it will go on to exceed the msrp on the secondary market, and 95% of them will never get driven more than 1000km.
such is the nature of our car world today.

 

btw, those saying it should at least rev higher....to rev much past 10k, the system would have to have pneumatic valves...

 

Love or hate the car I really don’t understand this point of view.

So now someone has to either own a car or have a certain amount of money in their bank account to have a valid opinion? IMO that’s ludicrous and counterintuitive to everything being a car/art enthusiast is about.

 

another thought about this car, given the engine choice (dictated by le mans reality), and the price tag, and what it might get to on the secondary market, and the number they are making (799 so far...), it actually may push all the other previous halo cars up in price.
the f40 was made in higher numbers, but all the others in lower numbers.....
the f40 and 288gto did not have 12 cylinders and were turbocharged....
the F40 design was purposeful and not artistic - like the F80....

 

I want you to be happy: please deliver me that ugly F80 you don't like at all and I will give you as a trade my 575 F1 Maranello with a V12 inside. You don't need to give me any money in addition...

Ciao

 

ha ha Alberto you are so right. I remember when I paid $350,000 for my first 288 GTO and I was showered with insults and called a moron for paying “10 times the price for a 308 on steroids”

 

Lol, I also don’t understand why some are soooo sensitive about the opinions of others? Whatever you do, don’t read the F80 comments on social media!

I personally like the fact that the F80 is so polarizing. Cars like this are art objects IMO and like all art it evokes strong emotions. Sometimes positive, sometimes negative. That is what all art is supposed to do. There is no “right” or “wrong” here. You can’t quantify beauty.

Now if your standard for cars is solely performance and not beauty then you can make your point using numbers. But the intrinsic art of an object isn’t something that can be debated with any type of scientific certainty.

What a boring world it would be if we all loved the same art/cars.

 

"Risus abundat in ore stultorum"

That's a Latin period that won't ever become old

Ciao

 

Sorry only negatives reactions about this car are mainly sensitives.
Others who defended it are close to be insulted when answering..

 

Subjectively, the F80 design is a complete fail. That pleases me since I would never be offered an allocation in any event.

Impartiality is the rarest of human attributes. Whether it applies to politics, spouses or cars. Many on this forum are blind Ferraristas who are simply not capable of any semblance of neutrality. Others may have an opposite viewpoint. And there are those who are bitter or envious of others who have the means to purchase any car of their desire. Their posts are often tainted by these factors.

 

Aero explained:

 

I find it ridiculous that Ferrari has just launched the most technologically advanced road going hypercar ever and people just keep complaining about all sorts of things without even understanding how much effort it requires to get all those systems packaged while still reaching the aerodynamic goals.

For sure it doesn't have Valkyrie level aerodynamics. But on the other hand, F80 is more advanced in several ways and it is also much better suited for road use.

 

I hate the esthetics of all new Ferrari's…before I fall head over heals. Been that way since I was a kid with the Testarossa.

 

I respectfully disagree.

IMO it doesn’t matter if they are impartial or not as everyone has their own personal bias. Art is subjective. The reaction is what matters, how they got there is inconsequential.

I also think the whole bitter/jealous argument is just another way of side stepping and self validating one’s own opinion to take the moral high ground.

 

This is a bit like trying to explain to the girl who broke up with you all the reasons why she shouldn't have done that and why you're clearly a superior boyfriend. Emotional bonds aren't formed with spreadsheets, calculators and checklists. McLaren has been trying that for a while now and while it has resulted in some great cars, I don't think anyone here would accuse them of being emotional or compelling beyond these figures, with one or two exceptions.

For what it's worth, I could care less about the WEC "hypercar" class these days too, they're all ugly, sound like vacuum cleaners and are practically indistinguishable from each other on the track. I still remember the 90s and 2000s, I enjoyed watching sports car racing vastly more back then because the cars were much more interesting. I frankly could give a damn about the soap opera that is F1 these days or really any modern race series, I enjoy vintage racing much more. And I'm only 33...

Since it's become clear that this thread is only for positive comments, I won't add any more but to say that it's quite strange how often I now see the argument that Ferrari is building good cars because their balance sheet looks so fat and happy. If that were the case then shouldn't we all be driving Civics and Corollas and F150s? Surely the best selling car in the world is the best car in the world, that's what I've taken away from this thread. I sure hope those making that argument only listen to music that's on the current week's iTunes top 100 chart, or eat only at Mcdonald's, or buy all your clothing from Target and Walmart. After all, the gross sales and balance sheets of these companies indicate that their products are superior, after all.

 

Well, to quote our resident professional automotive designer John M., “Design, it matters”.

Ultimately in automotive design it comes down to the pretty package. No matter how incredible the underpinnings and technology are it’s the visuals that matter most.

Lol, right or wrong it’s not the sensible and intelligent women that turn heads on the street.

 

Will we see the F80 at the Finali Mondiali?

 

It was reading about the aero and downforce that made me not dislike the design outright. It looks like it does to get the downforce.

Form follows function.

 

First ? Brand new ? Did you keep it ? Or your second one ?

MDS

 

There have been talks that F80 should have had V8 instead of V6. However, technologically the 120° V6 is the best possible engine configuration while taking into accout combination of weight, center of gravity, packaging, structural requirements, and turbo charging efficiency (yes, V6 is better suited to turbo charging than V8) and benefits of hot-vee configuration.

I can understand that some may like V8 sound better than V6. Then again, at least carwow preferred Ferrari V6 over McLaren V8. Check video at 5:40.

 

I completely agree.