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  1. flightz71

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    #1 flightz71, Nov 7, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2024
    Greetings Fchat

    I have a 2001 Ferrari 360 Modena with ~14.5k miles which currently has a transmission failure :(

    Series of events:
    1. Bought the car with 13.8k miles knowing it needs a major service (nothing has ever been done on the car except oil).
    2. Car would pop out of gear into neutral randomly (clutch going?) around 14k miles.
    3. Car complete failed the other day getting off the freeway on a hot day. Was in Neutral with flashing “F1” transmission light. Thank goodness has friends to help me push the car to the side of the road and had to flat bed the car home. At that point, there was no F1 pump priming sound anymore and transmission light would just keep flashing with car on.
    4. Had spent hours reading the forum and internet and determined it’s 3 things: F1 fuse, F1 relay, F1 motor for pump
    5. Replaced the 30A fuse (was blown), replaced relay from x203 to a BMW x152 version, replaced F1 pump motor with a OE Magneti Marelli one intended for a Selespeed car (looks just like the one I pulled out of my 360). Only replaced the motor so didn’t disconnect the lines going into the pump / didn’t introduce air into the F1 system.
    6. Flash F1 light went away and pump primes now but car still refuses to come out of Neutral and go into gear. When F1 pump primes, reservoir fluid level drops but still retains a healthy level of fluid after the fact.
    7. Don’t think it’s the rear switch on engine / trunk lid since when I open the trunk the light for the trunk comes on but goes away when I close it.
    8. When the car is on and I pull both paddles back, I just get a F1 light and beeping for a couple seconds and the light goes away when I release paddles.

    Short of going to a shop with a SD-2, is there any tool I can by myself to troubleshoot this issue? Anything else you guys think might be? My first F car, I know I signed up for this but can’t help but feel anxious now lol. Really appreciate the help!

    I’m located in South Bay / San Francisco Bay Area if anyone local is around :)

    Thanks,
    Calvin
     
  2. BAturb

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    #2 BAturb, Nov 7, 2024
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  3. BAturb

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    #3 BAturb, Nov 7, 2024
    Until you scan and read any codes, don't over think things, I had the transmission light and alarm going off, quick scan and turned out to be a bad brake light switch adjustment Under the brake pedal, easy and quick fix
     
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  4. yelcab

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    #4 yelcab, Nov 7, 2024
    Unless you have an SD2, your 2001 model will not connect to an aftermarket scanner until you UPGRADE the transmission control unit to a model 2003 TCU. This is approximately $2,000.

    Once you do that, you can use any good feature-rich scanner to talk bidirectionally to the TCU and figure some things out. I have a Launch X431 Pros Mini.
     
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  5. flash32

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    #5 flash32, Nov 7, 2024
    You can PM me if you like and I can try to help thru a conversation on the phone
     
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  6. flightz71

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    #6 flightz71, Nov 7, 2024
    yelcab - I was considering this to chase a better shift before I do a 6-spd swap. Is it just plug and play, no configuration needed if I source a newer TCU? e.g. what if the TCU I source has some PIS value of the clutch that doesn’t match up with my own car, will there be a scenario where anything in my car is at risk due to incompatibility unless I get the TCU initialized first to match with my car via a scan too? Point being should I get a TCU and use a scan tool to stage it before I start the car the first time? Appreciate any insight on how the swap over would work, thx!
     
  7. flash32

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    #7 flash32, Nov 7, 2024
    I can discuss all this and more tomorrow on the phone if you like
     
  8. yelcab

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    #8 yelcab, Nov 7, 2024
    Anyone good enough to re-program a TCU is good enough to set up an average kiss point and you adjust it slightly using your scanner after the straight swap.
     
  9. XFC_Steve

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    #9 XFC_Steve, Nov 9, 2024
    I have a similar problem and the local Miami shop has been putting me through the wringer. They replaced the starter (cost of 3 grand). They said it was fixed but then hen i get to the shop, suprise it needs a new TCU and they are saying the clutch needs rebuilt (total of $29,000). I took my 2003 Ferrari 360 Modena F1 with 30,000 miles on it back from them.

    The thing is, I parked it on the street and it got a lot of rain in it. Was running perfectly went I parked it and looks like rain water got in the TCU (it’s a convertible). since then took to the shop and as I mentioned they replaced the starter.

    I’m thinking I could ship the TCU to a rebuilder, then see if that solves the problem (most things in Miami are very scketchy so I have no idea if what the shop is telling me is true).

    Any good referrals for a TCU rebuilder? I see some on eBay/google but I’d much prefer a referral from the Ferrari Chat guys.

    Thx -Steve


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  10. flash32

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    #10 flash32, Nov 9, 2024
    Probably easier to just buy a 2004 TCU resale or get a flashed CS one
     
  11. XFC_Steve

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    #11 XFC_Steve, Nov 9, 2024
    2004 rather than 2003? Any suggestions on where to buy it from?
     
  12. flash32

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    #12 flash32, Nov 9, 2024
    Yes - the most up to date TCU is the 2004 which is totally backwards compatible - part number 211023
    Of course you can order from the usual ( new) - eurospares / Scuderiacarparts etc but they do come up for sale on Ebay , here etc for alot cheaper
    The other route is to go the CS TCU upgrade route - you can contact eric355 on here for that
    I would recommend reading the various threads on upgrading to the CS TCU so you know that to get the full benefit you will probably need to get your ECU's flashed as well
    I hope that helps
     
  13. flash32

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    #13 flash32, Nov 10, 2024
    Hello everyone
    Just to close this this thread out and it ended up just being a fuse on the brake circuit which would not allow him to get into gear
    Since we are on the phone we went through the whole F1 system the only thing was a marginal F1 clutch solenoid which the OP will change when he upgrades to the 2004 TCU

    Case closed
     
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  14. yelcab

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    #14 yelcab, Nov 10, 2024
    Damn, a fuse! Who would have thunk? I certainly would not lead with that idea.
     
  15. flash32

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    #15 flash32, Nov 10, 2024
    Believe me we didn't start there either ..we went thru the whole system check to make sure there wasn't anything major wrong that could have causedore damaged...once the system "passed" we went into diag mode and pretty quickly determined that the brake circuit was at fault ..checked switch and then fuse ..

    Lesson learned ..check simple stuff first ..like fuses and always evaluate the last thing that was done before car was disabled
     
  16. yelcab

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    #16 yelcab, Nov 10, 2024
    Rule number zero for mechanics. If it breaks today after you touched it yesterday, it's what you did yesterday.
     
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  17. BAturb

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    #17 BAturb, Nov 10, 2024
    Leads me to my original post, read the codes, my issue turned out to be the brake light switch, cheap simple fix in 2 min
     
  18. flash32

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    #18 flash32, Nov 10, 2024
    No codes when the fuse was out ..

    We did read and reset all the codes first ..only codes were "real" was the pump because as a safety measure we removed the pump relay until we proved everything was ok


    Hast makes waste ..it there was a big issue we could have caused more damage ...

    It ended up being a silly fuse with an explanation of why ..so the OP was blessed with a simple fix
     
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  19. Jaymac

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    #19 Jaymac, Nov 11, 2024
    Another win for Dominick!!!:D
     
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