Doesn't add up - the review would be 360 degrees different, if the 12Ci had 812comp exhaust. SF90 12Ci positioning is bs - my GTS and SF90 could not be more different, the AF pack may have a a bit to do with it. One is hybrid rear engine awd vs 12NA. front engine - silly comparison to 12Ci. Doubt I will sell GTS and hope to go from 12Ci to comp version - major part of the romance. How anyone can compare the two engines is mind boggling.and would love to see the two on track or 1/4 mile. The Astons gear box and engine- for the same price? Aston will be discounting these by 100k and 200k plus used. Liked my DBX - even though it was old mercedes tech and the a/c didn't really work - fun / elegant car but never again.
They both sound like crap. One because its not a Ferrari and the other because its the new Ferrari. Ferrari has never changed its mind from going all electric. The horrible sound of everything after the unrestricted 812sf is just to prepare us for the full electric. They will say it will have a sound unique to Ferrari but they are hoping that we will either have forgotten how an NA engine sounds or our culture has changed and buyers will actually chose the electric motor sound over the screaming NA V12 sound.
You nailed it there, i am tired of hearing people say "Oh Ferrari has some tricks up its sleeves and they will surely suprise us". Its been down hill since the 812 SuperFast, sound getting worse and so is the design, let alone car naming convention that reminds me of HP printers (i.e SF90XX)
I feel vindicated on keeping the 812SF until I see, touch and feel the 12Cilantro. This guy cannot stop comparing the new car to the 812SF, and they are all valid reasons to me as to why I am hesitant to order the new car.
Most people are not on FerrariChat following all things Ferrari and getting updates on every single new model. Their reaction is limited to what they see on instagram, youtube or a car mag. Also don't forget that most people live in areas where they don't see Ferraris on a regular basis. Trust me when I say that for most people its still an occasion and a big deal to see one in real life and a lot of people get super excited. I did a road trip through Montenegro in a 2013 FF and 95% of the people in the street were reacting like they saw a La Ferrari.
You touch on a very important point. Colour. Aston has a beautifull red, Ferrari instead is painted in bird poop! Put the 12c in a decent colour and you will view it in a very diferent light. I still have some reservations on the rear black parts, but i think it's a very striking car...in a good way.
huh: SF90XX - you said it's going down hill since SuperFast - what do you think the SF90 stands for? SF90 standing for the 90th anniversary of the Scuderia Ferrari racing team and "Stradale", an Italian word for "made for the road". XX - the coolest cars today of any brand, are Ferrari XX editions. HP printer really - you go up to owners and say your car is named after an HP printer? Honestly do not understand people who make random comments about their dislike for things with no effort to at least use google. If someone would tether from day one to the XX and how it evolved was not just a whim. The premise of the name from day one to completion with the XX was brilliant. History is the richest part of Ferrari and owning a piece of history as are many other editions. You people who sell Ferrari short are only showing lack of being an enthusiast of the brand - why are you here? Post after post - ad nauseam. Ferrari did not become the #1 branding company in the world by accident - although reading posts here one would think otherwise. rant over
Problem is that there will be very few that can get those, the masses get the crap that funds the special cars.
Exactly. Imagine the 12Cilindri being shown in the press/reviews in a Rosso TRS for example, how beautiful it would be. Instead of this boring Giallo Montecarlo, similar to the mustard color used in the Ford Fiesta of the 2000's. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Mean Mr. Mustard with the 'cardinal sin' of only FOUR lug nuts hopefully holding the wheel on. What a vile image...
So you think that how good a car drives and performs is based on its depreciation? Interesting, to say the least...
That and being mass produced and over priced from the start. Nothing special about any of these cars. They are fast, big deal so is a Tesla. Snooze fest
If you don't discern a difference between a Tesla and a 296, there is not much for us to discuss... Let's just say that you are probably in the minority.
You couldn't be more wrong which is why there are so many for sale and at huge discounts. A 296 is a fine car but not special. They are a dime a dozen, any first time buyer could get one, even you. The cars people want are unattainable unless you buy the mass produced models and even then it is a challenge. The game is about over except for the few who feel special but they will learn.
Selling an asset has more to do with the financial situation of someone and the expected profit. How good a car is, is defined by how it makes the driver feel and how it performs against the stopwatch. The market is irrelevant when it comes to the actual technical merits of an object. There are objects that are crappy, but command a huge price because they are just rare. Utter insanity!!!
Desirablity is the factor amd these cars are not. People are holding them in hopes of getting the vs version or because the hit is so big they figure they may as well use them. I am one of those people so I know how it goes.
This argument is hard to solve. The 296 is an amazing car. It’s beautiful and a better car by far than an F8 in my view. Stig thinks so too. But, depreciation is hard work. The problem with it is the Inflated number of purchasers that comes from great residuals. People are like lemmings. They just follow on. “If I buy an x I will only lose y and the next guy will be happy to buy after me because, well, I don’t know why…” The quality of a car has some things to do with demand, of course, but the belief that something wonderful should be available to anyone for virtually nothing can only be valid in times of low supply. The problem for manufacturers is that if you have people like this in your customer base, when a downturn happens, the loyal people struggle to buy and the hangers-on leave toute-de-suite, so the effect is doubled. And what that has to do with the car’s quality is that when it really is good, the effect is greater. So there can be an inverse relationship with how good a car is and how much depreciation is experienced because the manufacturer is lured into oversupply ahead of a downturn. The world has changed and Ferrari will have to accommodate this in its volumes. Bad news for shareholders but it’s a familiar story. Then the world may change again and off we all go again.
Well said. I do believe it gets worse before it gets better but we will be right back in a few years chasing the next shiny thing. The current models will be forgotten and high maintenance costs will push values down further. If somehow Ferrari or a 3rd party finds a way to lower maintenance costs then they will flatten out.
