I sensed the sarcasm, , but it might still hold through that it might only take four or six hours to R&R.
So looks like the first number i had is no longer supported and the superseded harness number is 273765
Are we discussing wiring harness A here or just the front bumper cable B? Ray Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Fair enough. It might take 4.5 to 6.0 depending on how much coffee is consumed that day. Kidding. lol. Have you done this job?
Coffee would certainly help I have not done this job myself, but I have taken apart the front of several Ferraris, including my former 458. If you check out the YouTube channels for "LNC collision" as well as "TJ hunt" both of those guys have documented fairly extensive work involving the front end of Ferrari 458's and 488's. Some of their videos might give you some feeling for what could be required to access some of the locations involved in the front wiring harness there. Until you dig into it, it's hard to know exactly what you're gonna run into. Some of the older videos on TJ Hunt's channel might be particularly helpful, as I recall his project car had significant front end damage and also required work on the steering rack I believe (all areas around where that harness snakes). Anyway, if you do the job, I'd be curious to know how long it takes you exactly. My estimation would be 8 to 10 hours and most likely spanning 2 days of working to carefully remove stuff, etc. Even a relatively simple job (such as removing the rear bumper of a 360 to install an exhaust) can chew up 4-5 hours and that's a pretty straight forward job. Ray
GVII That is the wrong question when people who actually work on these cars, study these cars and know what is unknown to people who do not and think, this is simple. And they are trying to give you insight which you question without having actually worked on one it appears. I assume this as if you were a Ferrari mechanic, not a tech which can only be new models, where to find these parts and how to track part numbers is like your morning coffee....do it first day every day and then you are into jobs. Older cars are different than new ones just put together and Ferraris are very different than Japanese cars and American cars which are big production, repetitive builds. Just a perspective. And we do have about 20 Ferraris in our shop on any given day for maintenance, service , rebuilds.....
Working on a Ferrari is definitely quite a different experience than working on something like a Nissan or Toyota - as Peter correctly points out above there. With something like a Toyota, you can see how they have evolved each area to help improve assembly line speed when building the cars at the factory and where they have done things to help make their workers' lives much easier in terms of putting everything into place or securing things, routing things, etc. With Ferrari, it's almost the polar opposite sometimes. When you work on a Ferrari, it's almost as though the designers were attempting to make it more confusing and complex for those working on the assembly line to actually build the cars. In some cases, you'll run across areas internally which clearly were not snapped or screwed into place properly; you can definitely sympathize with the person who failed to clip a harness into place or who failed to get a screw started properly (which of course led to the cross threading you now have to fix). With my personal experience working on Ferraris over the last 25+ odd years, I have run into several random screws just sitting around the car that were clearly dropped on the assembly line and/or electrical harnesses which were just left hanging because it seems there is no humanly possible easy to secure the clip in place due to the crazy design. In other cases, in some common area will you so many different (yet hard to tell apart) screws of different lengths and drive types that you just have to wonder what kind of drugs they allow their designers to use in Italy and pity the people on the line who had to deal with all this. Anyway, all these design shortcomings translate into to a much slower and much more complex job than you might expect when dealing with your typical Ferrari. I mean just as an example between cars, on the 360 and 458 you can remove the car battery fairly quickly (and by quickly I mean not all that quick by comparison to most cars on the road). In something like a Lexus or Toyota, you can swap a car battery in maybe 10 minutes with just a few simple tools. To do that same job in the 488, for example, forget it; it can easily spiral into a 2+ hour job (if not more) and can require having so many tools out and running into so many issues that you just have to think W.T.H are these people thinking when they designed this car. I do not have the answers, but clearly streamlining the assembly line build process for these cars was not a high priority (and actually doesn't appear to be any priority at all) from what I've encountered over the years. * paging Munro & Associates * All this translates (often times anyways) into a painfully slow work flow when attempting to do something as evasive as removing the entire front electrical harness from the car. There's probably a reason someone opted to just slash and burn the original harness during removal - and that reason is because life is too short for this kind of #$%@. Again, curious (if you end up doing this job yourself) exactly how many hours you'll end up investing into it. I don't think it will be 4 hours though Either way, good luck over there! Ray
Stay tuned. I had a harness ordered from Scuderia and then they canceled my order saying they can’t source that part number. Called Ferrari and they have superseded part number, but 3X the price of what i was originally quoted. That took some of the excitements anway about replacing the harness. I might revisit after the new yer.
From an official Ferrari source 279550 is NLA but no mention of it being superseded to any other number. Not saying 273765 will not work but do not be surprised if its not just plug and play. As far as price. There is only one source globally, Ferrari and their parts just do not have a mark up that will allow huge price differences. A good price on it will be around $3000. Brian Brown was right. The second station on the assembly line installs the wiring into a near bare body shell. The only thing installed before is the plumbing.
The superseded number was provided by the local Scottsdale Ferrari dealership. Scuderia can source it for around 3500 USD ish. But the difference from the original version and the superseded version is a mystery (assuming it caters more for the later model 458’s and possible changes, if anything maybe 1 or 2 more accessories to lug in) unless you deal with these cars on a regular basis, would be hard to guess.
The point is if Ferrari calls something a supersession it will fit and work in some fashion. While someone may be calling this a supersession it does not appear to be Ferrari doing it.
I think the irony here is that Rex has spent far more than 4 hours just trying to find the correct harness Ray
