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Where is this oil coming from?

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  1. yelcab

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    This is a picture of 328 engine, currently it is out of the car for valve work. Engine and gear oil have been drained. I notice an oil leak pooling at the top of the engine mount attachment place so I want to find the leak and fix it. But, I don't know where it is coming from... Anyone has any idea?

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    The only possible place where there is still oil is the channel where that oil line is attached to. It comes up from the oil pump and that channel is normally full of oil. Is there a crack, a leak, a seapage?
     
  2. yelcab

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    There is a through hole where the engine / gearbox mounting stud goes through. That is a potential leak if there is a crack in the case or seepage from the oil pump channel to that hole.

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  3. yelcab

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    There is some oil already after 30 minutes of sitting ...
    This gasket is wet
    Does anybody have a picture of the engine with this flywheel plate removed?

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    I don't have a picture but if memory serves the oil passage from the pump to the oil cooler output terminates in the back of the block and is sealed off by a steel, allen plug, the same as an oil drain plug.Its really the only source for oil in that area. That allowed a through drilling of the oil passage from end to end of the block casting.

    It might also be one of the tapered alloy core type plugs. I know for sure the main oil gallery above the crankshaft is sealed with a shouldered steel plug. Interestingly out of all my photos I do not have a single picture of the back of the block and the parts books do not really show much either.
     
  6. yelcab

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    That would be the only sensible source of the leak. Thanks SMG for the picture. I have only been in their once in the last 20 years and didn't remember what it looked like.

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  7. Rifledriver

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    Yes. It is an alloy core plug kind of thing. Not so much on the V8s but I have had many of those leak on various models.
    Usually not too hard to change.
     
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    Also just above that is the cavity for the oil return off the back of the head, I've seen it where the gasket between the block and mid plate leaks into the chamber where the oil pressure gallery plug is as well. So it's also likely to be the gasket failure. Those plugs can be a real bugger to remove since they're a soft aluminum.
     
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    Metric taper plug for the oil galley down in that corner. Those are a real bugger to remove. Any of the alloy ones really.
     
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    Drill most of it out, and if it doesn't just spin out with an easy out tap around the circumference.with a chisel to collapse it some usually come right out.
    If its gone 30 years with no coolant changes thats different.
     
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  11. yelcab

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    So the plate is removed and ...

    1) the oil plug is not leaking. I could not find any wetness below the plug, with my eye and my finger.
    2) the little pocket at the bottom was full of oil and that is likely the source fo the leak.

    Could the gasket fail to hold back oil from the head-drain tube, collected there, and continue to seep out?

    I cleaned off the oil in the pocket, cleaned off the leak residue on the side of the engine, and will wait over christmas to see of the leak continues. IF yes, then the cause is not yet found, if no, then gasket failure is confirmed.

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    Then its really easy. There is only one possibility.
     
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    My vote is gasket, seen it a couple times.
     
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    It's official. The failed gasket is the cause. No more oil leak after the oil was cleaned up in the cavity and gasket removed.
     
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    I like simple fixes.. that's good news!
     
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    Can that plate be removed to replace the gasket with the motor in the vehicle?

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    Yes. Once the bell housing comes out and the flywheel is removed, its the next section. That plate also holds the main crankshaft seal.
    It's a tight space working in the engine bay but doable.
     
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    Interesting thread... I've got a small leak there and was trying to figure out source of leak. I'll check these new spots.
     
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    You are speaking to a 328 correct? I was wondering, on a 308? I haven't seen the underside of a 328, but I assume its different enough this may affect things? I didn't know on a 308 if there was room to get it out over that lower gear rod (for a lack of proper term).

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  20. yelcab

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    It's the same design on the 308 or 328. The lower rod (input shaft of the transmission) has very little clearance to the hole on the clutch housing plate. You may have a little trouble working it out but I would try that first before I even think about taking the engine out just for that job.

    Heck, I would consider removing the fuel tank before I take the engine out for that.
     
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    Yeah, I have a leak there, kinda in the same spot as yours was pooling and then leaking. Problem is engine is in the car, lol. I've been told it can't be done in the 308. I know this is blasphemy, but could one open it up, slid down the rod a bit, clean up the gasket then use some liquid gasket maker?
     
  22. yelcab

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    I have a picture of the thing in the car and I changed my mind. I don't think you can get it out. The plate will hang up on the rear frame member and the tight fitting hole-shaft clearance won't allow you to tilt the plate to get it out. Sorry.


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    I've done it, but I seem to recall pulling the big studs. Worst case, engine pull.
     
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  24. yelcab

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    That would definitely help to let you rotate the plate to a better spot ...
     
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