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296 - Can discharge when on the charger!

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  1. DragonRR

    DragonRR Karting

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    When I bought my car the dealer mentioned that it was recommended to always connect it to the Ferrari charger that came with the car and check to see the dash display showed the car on charge before walking away. Generally this is exactly what I do because a completely drained battery on these can mean a tow away.

    For some reason, in the last month or so the dash display sometimes hasn't shown the car charging, just the 296 logo. The first time this happened I tried a few things to fix it - disconnect at the wall, turn the car off/on etc.. but no luck. However I checked the app and it has said "maintaining" so... no problem! Next time I used the car it was fine. It happened again a week later and same result. All good.

    On Friday last week I garaged the car with about 60% charge. Turned the charger on. Heard the click from the port and everything seemed fine.. although the dash display didn't have the charge display I checked the app - said "maintaining" charge level was 57%.. All ok.

    For some reason, about 3hrs later I loaded up the app. It showed the charge level at 36%!.. Still said maintaining. Odd to say the least. I figured it was possible it was doing some kind of conditioning so decided to give it another hour. An hour later 31% and after reloading the app - 26%. Went out to the car. Nothing on the display which was expected. Switched the charger off at the wall and back on again. The dash display appeared - 19% charge level but this time it said charging.

    I am pretty sure that if I had have left it or not noticed the problem the car would have lost all it's charge by the morning.

    I would strongly recommend you check the dash display and don't ignore it if the charge screen doesn't show up.

    I've contacted my dealer to let them know. It might be an actual fault with the charger of course.
     
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  2. roma1280

    roma1280 F1 Rookie
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    I owned a 296GTs for a weekend and drove it right back to the dealer. The next time I own a plug in hybrid is going to be when you go to jail for not owning one.
     
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  3. DragonRR

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    Fortunately I don't feel quite as bad as you do :)
    Hybrids add complexity and therefore problems but I can't remember the last car I owned that didn't have one issue or another. I love the 296 and prefer it to my Pista (which is a great car!). Overall I've had fewer problems with Ferraris than Porsches over the years.
     
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  4. mkraft3003

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    Are the 2 blue lights flashing on the charger? Mine shows 2 blue lights flashing and changes to one blue light when it’s fully charged and just trickle charging.
     
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  5. bmcginn

    bmcginn Karting

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    Your last sentence needs to be memorialized for the ages.
     
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  6. Caeruleus11

    Caeruleus11 F1 World Champ
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    Thank you for the heads up. My detailer who works on a lot of Ferraris including the new cars told me that I should every 2 weeks unplug the car from the tender, and unplug the tender from the wall. He thinks it’s beneficial to wake up the car by opening the door and turning on the electronics. Leave the tender unplugged from the car and the wall for at least 30 minutes. Then plug everything back in. I usually drive my cars but with the weather they have sat a bit so I have been trying to do this and so far so good.
     
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  7. DragonRR

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    Unfortunately I didn't think to check that even though I'm aware of what the LEDs signify.
     
  8. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    I'm sorry Ferrari but it shouldn't take a check list and a calendar just to shut the car off so it isn't dead the next time you try to start it. How long have they been making the Prius?
     
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  9. ryalex

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    I’ve said multiple times they need to poach a few Toyota engineers to fix some of the problems.
     
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  10. Caeruleus11

    Caeruleus11 F1 World Champ
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    Right you are sir, but my 599 literally ate a battery tender, so this is progress :p
     
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  11. DragonRR

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    Dealer responses have been as expected really. They have tried to be helpful but without a reproduceable fault and me bringing the car in they have just said that I should always check the charger itself has two blue LEDs lit when I plug it in - which is valid obviously.
     
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  12. RamsHmb

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    Ok, so the OP was spot on. Was out of town for 2 weeks and left my car on the charger. It was in a hangar and apparently was disconnected from the charger 3 days ago and then plugged back in (for a wash). I show up today and the car throws every fault possible including hybrid system depleted etc. can’t get the car to move. When I look at the levels the hybrid battery is 0. I plug the car back I and and after a few second it clicks to start charging but immediately clocks off. Both blue lights flashing. I disconnected the 12v for 30 mins to reset and no joy. However…the third time around I get a notice saying I have less than one day left on the starter battery. We grab a tender and I hook it up directly to the battery and it reads 50%. I have left the car for the night to charge the 12v and I am hoping this fixes the issue but something super screwy going on with the charger. I agree 100% that u should check the dash. If it doesn’t flip to the charging view be sure to check the lights on the charger. I love the car and this doesn’t change it….i just need to understand how to avoid. And before everyone, especially non owners pile on, I had a 911 20 years ago that would have its battery die after a week. And to get access to that battery….dont even ask, insane. Point being, these modern cars suck power constantly, on or off, so this is not Ferrari specific. I don’t know exactly what happened for the two weeks I am gone so I will reserve judgment until it happens on my watch. With that said, it does echo the OP and wanted other owners to be aware too.

    Edit: thanks for sharing, Simon aka OP ;)
     
  13. SVCalifornia

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    The 12v battery is crap. I suspect the charger is crap too.

    My Roma’s battery was crap and the charger was crap too. Got a new battery and ctek and so far all is well.

    Want to add a ctek pigtail to the 296 battery terminals so I can separately recondition the battery when it is not on the main charger. Do it once a week should be sufficient.

    SV
     
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  14. SVCalifornia

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    Does anyone else have an odd problem where as you exit the car the car bongs as if something has been set? When it happens the charging screeen seems to be disabled. Going thru a full startup is necessary to bring it back to normal.

    SV
     
  15. KL runner

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    Pre Hybrid many owners chose to trickle charge all the time . Many cars drain batteries , as quoted by someone else here many are never really ‘asleep’ . I had an AMG that would go flat if left for two weeks , which is painful if your travel a lot as I did .

    Merc could not find the issue , I had the car for six years. The dealer was only a ten minute drive away and when I was going away I would drop off the car they looked after it and I got it back washed and looking great. Not ideal but at least they made the best out of a fault that remained a mystery
     
  16. RamsHmb

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    Plugging in the hybrid chart port is supposed to trickle charge then 12v too. My hypotheses is that when the car was left for the initial charge the hybrid batteries were dead and that fouled up the whole cycle. My son drove the car as I was in an suv brining in a heavy load so no idea where the batteries were and asking a 22 year old back at college to remember what the battery status was when he stopped is like asking your car to make breakfast. …u just get a weird look. Heading to the car in a bit and hoping but not expecting the charge on the 12v to have fixed the problem
     
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  17. RamsHmb

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    Haven’t noticed but this is interesting. Maybe my issue
     
  18. RamsHmb

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    So I am stuck. Charged the lvb up to 100. Did a bunch of resets and no go. I did a pop up that said the lvb needed 30 mins to calibrate the system and still nada. Calling dealership tomorrow. Super bummed as I have been away and haven’t driven the car much in the past few weeks.
     
  19. SVCalifornia

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    How far does it go?

    SV
     
  20. RamsHmb

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    0. Can’t get it into gear. Charred w Maddie and I think my lvb battery is toast. I am going to try and replace myself versus sending down from Healdsburg and having it sit in a queue. She did confirm that it’s critical to have the screen show it charging. If it’s just shows the 296 screen it will drain. I think we had a power interruption which screwed the whole thing up.
     
  21. Jo Sta7

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    I haven’t driven mine for 2 weeks and just left it plugged in. App reads everything fine. Car starts up fine, zero issues. Dealer specifically said no trickle charger just plug it into the main charging port all the time.
     
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  22. DragonRR

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    Hope you get this sorted RamsHmb!
     
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  23. DragonRR

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    The manual states that if the car is not going to be driven for a week then it is essential it is plugged in. Every single dealer has said to always plug it in although I suspect this is partly because they've had owners forget.

    As others have stated - always plugging the car in doesn't just apply to hybrids, it applies to a lot of performance cars, Aston's, McLarens (which are terrible) 911s and so on. The difference is that you can recover these just by plugging them in.
     
  24. DragonRR

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    Just to add - I would imagine that Ferrari would be able to push alerts from the app that the vehicle is stationary, connected to the wall but discharging rapidly. The app contains this information as will the servers. It would be possible to process the information server side and push alerts to you phone screen as other apps do. You could also push alerts when the charge level drops below (say) 20% or even let the owner choose their own figure. This would all save a fair amount of pain for everyone concerned and take a lot of the worry away.
     
  25. RamsHmb

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    Yeah. I think mine was a user error when I was gone. The car was washed and then plugged in again and the person didn’t know to look for the charge screen. Very keen to see if a new battery does it. Will report back tonight for anyone that is interested. And thanks, Simon!
    James
     
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