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Attention 308 and 208 GT4 Owners - Call for Pics and Info!

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  1. dyerhaus

    dyerhaus Formula Junior
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    Hello friends! I have spent the better part of the past month updating my website to reflect much more accurate information regarding 308 and 208 GT4s. It's been a lot of work, but the bulk of my update is now done to the "Chassis" section:

    https://308gt4.com/chassis/

    There you can click on the appropriate year and find your chassis number, production date, original factory exterior and interior colors, and the importer/dealer for all cars. For some cars I have body, engine, and transmission numbers, current (or last known) exterior and interior colors, and current (or last known) location.

    A handful of cars have photos too (if you see a chassis number in orange, click on it and a pic will open in a new window).

    Please take a look at it and let me know your thoughts. More importantly, if you see anything that might be incorrect, please let me know so I can investigate and update. Any missing info you may have would be much appreciated too, it would be nice to have all the holes filled in.

    I would love to add a pic of your car to this database. All I ask is to send me a clear, hi-res image, which you'll probably have to do via email seems to scale everything down (or I don't know how to attach or download images properly).

    More updates are coming, such as a fairly thorough list of paint colors, codes, and how many of what were painted what color. That'll take some time to put together, but I'll get it up there.
     
  2. ragtop1

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  5. dyerhaus

    dyerhaus Formula Junior
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    Yes, that's where the bulk of the info came from.

    I had a registry up on my site already, but it was full of holes. I ran across that one at Ferrari Beverly Hills and loved that it was all there… but it's not easy to access in bulk. Their site is designed for looking up one or two chassis numbers and getting what you need from there. When you try to look up a particular model, for example, all 308 GT4s, it fails fairly hard; It doesn't show them all, it only shows 16 per page, chassis numbers duplicate from page to page, etc. So getting a large list was impossible.

    Also, their sorting sucks. You can only sort by "newest model year" or "oldest model year" when searching for a particular car. Which just didn't work when I was searching for something specific like 1975 308 GT4s because they're all the same year model. It was hard to sift through the results.

    I ended up manually copy and pasting every 208 and 308 GT4 I could find, then manually searched individual numbers that didn't show up in my initial search (which was a few hundred), then merged their data with my already existing data. The result is a full list that's accurate and easy to access. There's still more work yet to be done though…

    I'd love to capture the engine and transmission numbers for all cars, but on that site you have to contact them to get that. They apparently provide it, but only if you contact them for each individual number. I plan to contact them and see if there's anyway they can just provide me that list.

    And another issue is their paint colors and codes. For example, my car is listed as "Verde Pino 106-G-30" but you'll see other cars that color listed as "Verde Pino Met. 106-G-30" — so, same color code but the naming convention is inconsistent (and that happens a lot). So I plan to clean all that up, which will take a lot of time.

    The great thing about having a large list like this is we can easily capture a lot of detailed stats like how many cars of a particular color were made for a particular year, or the entire run. And since we have the production dates available along with paint colors and codes, it's easy to see when Ferraris started switching from Glidden Salchi to Glasurit (as the codes obviously change). I do plan to harvest all that data and create a "paint" page on my site, but again, that will take some time.

    If you can't tell, I'm kind of a nerd when it comes to production data for these cars. :D
     
  6. ragtop1

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    Well, I like what I see so far! The GT4 owners and enthusiasts will love you for it.

    Someone started a 308GTS registry years ago. He just seemed to disappear, though. Many of the owners here, including myself, contributed their cars' information, but he's a ghost now.

    Good Luck Christopher. cheers
     
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  7. dyerhaus

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    Thank you!

    I can understand why someone would "disappear" from maintaining something this. It's a lot of work! But, at least for now, I'm very much into capturing all the data I can. So, hopefully, that will never wane. If it does, I'll at least post a message/disclaimer on the site stating so!
     
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  8. francisn

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    Ha Chris, if I'd known that you cold have saved me a lot of time as I've just spent a whole day copying and pasting from the same database! I've done reh 308s but still to do the 208s. Ilcw been talking to a couple of Ferrari historian friends and would suggest that the data will no doubt have originally been taken from paper records where things like colour names might have been described slightly differently by different people originally entering the details. Also I think the production date needs to be thought about. in the case of 07202 I see you have changed the date in reh roiginal from 1974 - 06-18 to 1973, to match the fact wqe know it was at the Paris Motor Show in 1973. However I would suggest the dates are not necessarily the date it came out of the factory but the date it was invoiced or somesuch. That would explain 07202 which being the launch car was probably kept by the factory for promotional purposes until sold in Jue 74.

    07240 is an interesting one. I need to talk to my ex Maranello Concessionaires contact

    Although I haven't downloaded the 20o8 darta yet I did notice a gap in the 308 sequence at chassis 08830 and on checking found it to be a 208, way back in August 74, a good 6 months before the second one 10140 in Feb 1975, 1975 being when the 208 was launched. I wonder what is the story behind that?

    Incidentally, I thought all GT4s had Glidden Salchi paint. Did I misinterpret and you have been researching other later models?
     
  9. dyerhaus

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    #9 dyerhaus, Jan 5, 2025
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    Yep, I did change the date on 07202 as it clearly existed before June 1974, of course I don't know the exact date it was built, but I figured it had to be a few months before its debut so I just changed the year.

    If you could find a production date for 07202, that would be great! That was the only one missing that info.

    I have the 208s all listed as well, and 08830 is indeed a 208 and it was the only one made in 1974. It would be nice to know the story as to why only one was made in 1974, and the others came about much later.

    12046 bothers me too as it's listed as a production date of 1974-06-24, but that's a fairly later chassis number to have been built in mid-1974. It's clear they weren't built in 100% sequential order, but they weren't too far off. That one… that one is really off, so it doesn't make sense. It would, however, make more sense in mid-1976.

    As far as paint, I'm still trying to dig into that. Based on color codes alone, it's likely they switched to Glasurit sometime in 1979. I've read they switched in 1980, but I do have a friend with a 1979 model 308 GT4 and it does have the Glasurit paint sticker on it. The Glidden Salchi paints all have codes like "106-G-30" but in 1979 a number of cars had that style of code, but also a number of cars have codes like "6335009" and 1980 cars had only the later style codes. There are a few randoms (literally six cars) that have later codes on earlier models, but that could be chocked up to the fact (as you noted) most of this data was likely taken from paper records, thus whomever originally transcribed these may have filled in a code that was incorrect. My plan is to clean all that up to something that makes more sense and is (hopefully) accurate.

    You also won't find 12788 on the Beverly Hills site. That was chassis used by Bertone to build the 308GT Rainbow. I added it in mine because I felt it should be there, and I used the date it was first shown as the production date. I guess it's not in their database as it was never actually built as a 308 GT4, but if you've ever looked at the car it's definitely all 308 GT4! I felt it should be included.
     
  10. miked

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    Having been on this website from the beginning (actually lurked on it beforehand when it was a Ferrari/Lamborghini website) I have seen many seen many model specific registers come and go. More often than not they are started by new owners enthusiastic about their purchase but the enthusiasm wears off after awhile and they sell their car and move on. It's a HUGE job to compile the data and then update it as cars are bought and sold. I sort of did it for my own interest but after a while I realized that these 308/328's were being flipped at an alarming rate. Often kept for a year or two then sold off before a major expense (like normal maintenance) occurs. My hat is off to Mr. Dyer and previously Peter for putting so much effort into preserving history.

    For the OP, have you looked at this thread, started in 2008, 96 pages of serial numbers and photos.
    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/how-many-gt4s-here.200472/
     
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  11. francisn

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    In this thread https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/anyone-know-ferrari-paint.431480/ the switch from Glidden Salchi to Glasurit was 1980 which is probably why you like me always believed the switch was in 1980. It is possible that the Glasurit label on your friend's car is not original.
     
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  12. dyerhaus

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    Just overhauled it again to make the database much more useable.

    https://308gt4.com/chassis/

    For each year model you will now see…
    • The page defaults to 25 cars per page, you can change that to show 50, 75, or all cars at your discretion
    • Each table is sortable by whatever column you want, just click on the column header
    • If I have a picture it's marked with "pic" in the column directly to the right of the chassis (not many, but there are some)
    • Table is downloadable in a few formats
    • "GD" was changed "RHD" (Guida di Dextra / Right Hand Drive)
    • Each table is searchable
    • Cleaner look and feel
    I have further updates planned, but these will take some time to implement as I'm just one guy doing this and I (sadly) have a full-time job. Here's what's planned:
    • A column indicating the car is OOS (Out of Service) - could be stolen, crashed, etc.
    • A column noting sunroof and luggage shelf (aka: rear-seat-delete) options
    I'm also planning a "paint" page which will have various data points as well.

    Enjoy.
     
  13. marklintott

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    Chris, this is an outstanding resource you have created and the work behind it must have been substantial. Congratulations and many thanks.

    Mark
     
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  14. dino1971

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    I'm really impressed with the work that went into this registry, it's the most complete (afaik) concerning our '74 GT4. It even has the right color (no longer the original one) and country of residence! We're updating the car, so will happily post pictures once that' over. Well done and thank you!
     
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  15. francisn

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    The Ferrari Beverly Hills Registry Inquire link now goes to a 404 page. I wonder if they have decided not to give out further information or if they were just overloaded with inquiries.
     
  16. Jack-the-lad

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    I didn’t get the 404 but I didn’t get the page I expected, either. The link sends me to a “1979 308GTS-USA” page.
     
  17. steved033

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    I never hit inquire, but wondered why they'd bother to hold that info back?
     
  18. francisn

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    Who knows? But there again why did they post the Registry info to begin with?
     
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  19. ragtop1

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    The Beverly Hills site still works fine for me.

    Except for one peculiar issue. I found my car in the database last week. I copied my information and saved it in a personal file.

    But now it's gone !! The serial numbers of other cars built on the same day are listed. :confused:

    1978 Ferrari 308 GTS-USA - 26533 - 1978-11-23 - Rosso Rubino - 106-R-83 - Pelle Sabbia VM 3234
     
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  20. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Ok, I finally got it sorted. Thanks.
     
  21. ragtop1

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    Well, I narrowed the filter settings and found my car again. But now I get the 404 error in "Enquire"
    Oh well, I am more interested in original colours anyway.
     
  22. dyerhaus

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    And that is exactly why I copied everything I could from that site (for the 208/308 GT4) because I found their site to be a little "wonky" and unreliable when searching. I wish I had all the engine, trans, and body numbers, but I can't inquire about every single car. I did inquire about one, it took them about 4 days to respond and tell me they didn't have the numbers for that car!! So, it's quite possible they don't have the additional info for your car.
     
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