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430 Operating Temperature issue in cold weather

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  1. BryanJTX

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    Sep 8, 2019
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    I use my F430 Spider mostly on weekends. I typically don't go out in extreme cold weather (relative to Texas), but just felt like getting out yesterday. The sun was shining, and it felt warm, yet the thermometer showed 28 degrees. My car usually heats up to operating temp after around 10-15 minutes, but yesterday in the cold weather would not get above the second notch. I'm guessing each notch is about 20 degrees, so with the base starting at 120, the second notch would be around 160. Normal seems to be 180-200 degrees. Is this normal or a sign of an issue?
     
  2. JaguarXJ6

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    I live in a colder climate at 9,000ft elevation so when I want to break winter jail on a nice spring day I have the same cold running. It's 18.3F per notch and this is normal. In the same conditions full operating temperature for me is just after the 2nd notch so around 165F after the same amount of driving.

    Oil weight also has an impact on heat soak based on how quickly it's able to circulate through the oiling system and get through the bearings. Thicker weight means higher temperatures. I've always used a 0w40 for my climate.

    The dual oil coolers are very effective especially with the 10qt capacity. While the oil temperature sensor is reading 160-165F the actual temperature at the bearings is higher and closer to what we would expect for operating temperature.

    When you're in the Texas heat aren't you thankful that the cooling capacity is up to the task? :)

    When I was doing research years ago on this subject (prior and post purchase) some 360 owners have encountered the same situation in colder climates. One owner fabricated plastic block off plates with holes (and made a set that fits the F430) to place over the oil coolers in order to raise temperatures without changing out the thermostat. I purchased these but never had them installed myself.

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  3. BlacktopRacing

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    First, it should not take 15 minutes for your engine to reach normal temp, especially in TX. Check your coolant level first, and .ake sure it's topped off. I don't believe these cars warn you of low coolant level. This can affect the t-stat operation. Second, is sounds like your t-stat might be bad, either partially letting coolant flow, or just stuck open (I believe they're designed to resort to the open position when they fail, as a failsafe to prevent the engine from overheating). The third thing it could be is a faulty TGK valve. This is normally accompanied by a ticking sound from behind the dash. Lastly, if all those check out, it could be the electronic control module. But, if you changed your battery recently, you may need to recalibrate the latter by following a procedure. That is, turn the ignition on without starting the engine, set temp to 72 degrees F, turn fan on full blast. Nothing should be set on auto. Wait 3 minutes and turn off.
     
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  4. BryanJTX

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    Appreciate the responses. I'll check coolant level & the TGK valve. I'm due for an annual oil change in the next 60 days with Norwood Auto and will ask them too.
     
  5. BlacktopRacing

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    I mentioned possibilities in order of cost too, in case you didn't notice.
     
  6. Pete Schweaty

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    For those of you driving in colder weather, what tires are you using? I have Continental Extreme Contact which you should not run when it's cold. Do you have a dedicated winter set, all seasons, or just say screw it, and run the summer tires?
     
  7. GogglesPisano

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    I come from Georgia where it was not quite northern weather but got cold enough in the winter. I ran max performance summer tires year round and even took them up to the mountains when freezing. It's incredibly sketchy when at freezing temps, like driving on bricks. You definitely need to drive like you're carrying a seesaw full of Champaign glasses in the back when they tires are cold. However, once you got some heat into the tires, they were mediocre. I might have considered something more suitable if I had to deal with snow or ice.
     
  8. Pete Schweaty

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    That's my conundrum. I live in Maryland where we do get several months of weather where it regularly dips into the 30's. It usually gets near 40 a few days a week, even in the winter (not this year though, it has been brutal). I was just wondering if anyone ran performance all seasons and had an opinion. Thanks!
     
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