375 MM Coupé 0402 AM ex-Rossellini SEIZED

As always, impressive contributions. Thank you!

Jorge HG

 

I would. But in the past, there have been unpleasant comments, so I will not venture down that road again.
Thus the article, it is appreciated, and quite interesting. In Italian, as the English, is pathetic.

You know who you are, and you can hire a professional that will not care
about idiotic ripostes. Not that I care about comments, I have better to do than translate
a newspaper article when I can read it.

Ta-ta.

 

Fantastic! Imagine, I did the same with my Fouga Magister, as some french Bozo, lost the key

 

I absolutely understand you and agree with you. I also would not do this then.

 

The problem here is: all the Italian newspapers and magazines (Ruoteclassiche included) focused the readers attention on the famous owners (Rossellini and Bergman), confused 0402 with 0456 and vice versa (downloading the photos by the web after googling "Ferrari and Bergman"), stated that the 0402 was a gift from Rossellini to Bergman and confused Scaglietti with Pininfarina. A totally mess!
Eventually the problem was different: somebody avoided tax payments on 4 vintage cars forging the documents.

 

I had entertained the idea of buying a car from Kidston et.al.

Not totally understanding the body of information posted here, should I be leary of Kidston now??? I had always assumed the best of them.

 

I do.
Full disclosure: I’m not in the market, not a buyer.
Just giving my opinion of his integrity.

From what people have posted, it seems the issue is buyer(s) not wanting to pay taxes, nothing more. Just my 2 cents.

 

Probably not, Kidston is a serious outfit, but everybody commits their peccadilloes every once in a while.

If it’s a straight deal, and you are satisfied with the arrangements, I don't see why it should preclude you from doing business with them.

I have spoken with them before, and they were on the up and up, at least with me.
Plus Emanuele Collo and I, we speak in Italian, so kind of a different situation and level.

Regards, Alberto

 

It is Italy at its best Dave.

The Guardia di Finanza ( Italian IRS) once stopped me in Milan, asking me where did I get the money
to pay for the car I was driving.
Italy is nowadays a country were "squeeze all", is the ongoing motto, so they are witch hunting at their best.
They knocked at my cousin's house in the mountains, to go into her garage. Check out the cars... No issues, but a bit harsh, no?

I mean, a country were you are fined hundreds if you not produce a receipt after exiting the local bar with
your gelato in hand.... Personally experienced it (not me being fined ).

Regards, Alberto

 

Kidston are World Class. Just look at the cars and their clients they've brokered for over many years.

 

You, sir, are an absolute badass!!

 

@moderators. The heading of this thread needs editing by removing PF. It was born a PF Spyder, re-bodied early in its life to a Scaglietti Coupe.

 

it look like a Ferrari screwdriver , of corse !

 

Not period correct 1 point deduction.

 

Good grief Alberto. That's bananas! What a time to be alive (in Italy).

 

clearly a PB screwdriver, Swiss made of course

 

Let's see if this translation works:


From the jet-set of the “Dolce Vita” to the courtroom seals: this is the new adventure of the Ferrari 375 MM Mille Miglia “Rossellini,” a car that has always been a movie star—not only because it is a unique model in the world worth 30 million euros, but in the literal sense of the word. In the mid-1950s, it was a love gift from director Roberto Rossellini to the three-time Oscar-winning actress Ingrid Bergman. A jewel (redesigned and repainted silver by Pininfarina) coveted by collectors worldwide, including its current owner, Timm Arno Bergold, the honorary German consul in the Principality of Monaco. However, it is now—along with three other supercars, such as the Alfa Romeo Berlinetta 8C 2900B Lungo, valued at 27 million euros—under seizure by Milanese judge Alberto Carboni as part of an investigation led by prosecutor Giovanni Tarzia and the financial police (GdF). Meanwhile, six lawyers, accountants, motor vehicle registration employees, tax agency officials, and auto agency owners have received requests for house arrest or precautionary interdictions, pending preliminary hearings scheduled by the judge for January 30.

In order to re-register the car with its original historic license plate, a continuous series of ownership transfers was required. Additionally, there were tax issues between the U.S. and Europe involving 12 million euros. To figure out a solution for Bergold (who is not under investigation), collector Simon Kidston, his broker Emanuele Collo, Angelo Torre (owner of a vehicle registration agency), business lawyer Riccardo Roversi, and accountant Stefano Sciacchitano got involved. Besides setting up a dedicated company, Roversi (legal representative of Bergold’s “Destriero Ltd”) reported the loss of a document related to the car on December 1, 2020. Just a few days later, on December 4, Torre’s agency issued a duplicate ownership certificate in the name of “Roberto Rossellini,” who had been deceased for almost half a century. The prosecutor, noticing a pattern of repeated document losses, found it “statistically at least improbable that Bergold could have lost such a significant number of documents for his highly valuable cars.”

Furthermore, in 2023, an arbitration proceeding was initiated at the Biella Tribunal between Bergold’s representative (Sciacchitano, an accountant at Roversi’s international law firm) and Collo (the “successor in interest” of the last registered owner). Roversi acted as the arbitrator, but in an email, he revealed that “naturally, there would not be a real dispute; the case will be resolved based on the parties’ consensus, but formally we will have an award” to register with the ACI/PRA (Italian vehicle registry). In the request for precautionary measures, the prosecutor highlights Collo’s concerns expressed in an email to Roversi: “I am very happy to sign documents without understanding any of their meaning, but I clearly perceive the implicit risk.” Roversi’s response initially was, “they provide the handcuffs,” which he later downplayed in another email, saying, “just kidding.” This will provide material for the defense, as the timestamp of the second email (1:00 PM on July 26, 2023) appears to precede the first one to which it was allegedly responding (2:59 PM).

The lawyer and accountant, defended by Roberto Losengo, deny the accusations of forgery and assure their willingness to clarify the contractual relationships with the judge. They claim to have acted within their professional mandates and in compliance with regulations. Tax-related offenses have been alleged against two managers of Bergold’s “Destriero” company, Colin Richard Walker and Tracey Michelle McFarlane. Auto agency owner Torre, along with Walker, Kidston, and Collo, is also accused of corruption for two payments of 25,000 and 5,000 euros.

 

Dave, I have to deviate from the general topic, but is is germane to the topic of (GdF) and their intricacies with the Rossellini car.

The funny scene with the Guardia di Finanza, was my El Salvador Drivers License, and passport where it
clearly states that I was born in Rome. Conclusion..."you are Italian"...no I am not, I am from El Salvador.
So, where do you reside? Things got complicated then when I showed them a Vatican official card.

So, they proceeded to question my nationality and why would I speak Italian?
My reply, I also speak Japanese, but does that make me Japanese?

Worse of all, the car belonged to a friend's dealership, and was a bit over the top looks wise. A bit loud too...
They scratched their collective heads, and said, go . In the rear view mirror, they were still gesticulating, you know, very Italian.

Italians, we live in a 2cm x 2cm box. The moment we are forced out of our comfort zone, we freak.
We travel with a Kilo of pasta and a can of tomato sauce, thinking no Italian food will be found anywhere else in the world.

Don't ask

 

Thank you, Maestro.

 

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Nice to read you here Francesco! Greetings from Turin.

 

So this is the topic "...In order to re-register the car with its original historic license plate, a continuous series of ownership transfers was required."

Recently ACI decided to reprint the original Italian plate on request. To do this the circulation documents of the car need to be complete or updated.
Actually the last owner didn't have it, i think.
The strange thing for me is: i saw the car at Villa d'Este in 2007 with the original plate (in plastic, i think reproduced by the notorious website). So i thought the US owner commissioned to ACI the Certificato d'origine (a document stating the registration of the plate number, the Italian ownerships and the cancelation from the public register because the exportation). Also at Pebble beach in 2012 the car had again the plastic plate. Evidently i was wrong, because the German owner made this mess. And last, but not least, where are the 1970 French import documents and the 1995 US import documents? How this car circulated in Europe and in the USA without registration documents for almost 50 years? Something is missing here.......

 

Definitely something is missing there...

Last year in November I was in Bologna, Torino and Milano, and the whole country is a mess,
in reality nothing ever changes nel "Bel Paese". Che peccato! (what a shame).

The ACI, is worse than the whole Government, scary bureaucracy, I went through hell and high water trying to do the same.
The charges are exorbitant, instead of trying to help the amatore that tries to maintain and preserve history.

Saluti cari,
Alberto