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  1. bl10

    bl10 Formula Junior

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    I noticed a little grease spraying out around the spinner chrome collar on the passenger (right) side so I decided to take a look. I tried the tool kit lead hammer then made the "truck socket" tool and pulled well over 300 lbs with 1/2 inch breaker bar and 3 ft length of pipe, no love. Then took my mega impact an tried it still no love only destroyed the rubber edge protectors and nicked chrome. Got a 12 pound sledge and banged away first with two hammers then rags wrapped around the spinner. Not swinging full tilt at it but hitting it pretty hard. Hard enough to where it cuts the rag every hit.
    Just to make sure I'm trying to loosen it the correct way I'm hitting it the same way as the arrow on the hub, clockwise. Which would be correct for a left handed thread and also what the owners manual says. So I'm open to idea's as to how to get the spinner loose. I would buy the Hill tool but my guess is it would break. I tried hitting it both ways hopping it would break loose but no luck. It appears to made of brass, ask me how I know. Is it possible its cross threaded or galled. I also tried PB blaster again to no avail. Should I try heating it up around the what I think is the threaded part? I tried one of the others, not as aggressively, and it didn't move either.
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    3 ft bar is too short. I use 5 ft or more and I am 220 or so.
     
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  3. bl10

    bl10 Formula Junior

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    I'll try more leverage
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

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    You just proved why the 5-lug is the better design for a road car and much easier to live with ;).
     
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  5. pshoejberg

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    Sorry to hear about your endeavor with the spinner. Your approach is the "perfect" way to damage the expensive vintage lead hammer, the more expensive spinner and the paint on the wheel. I know many still recommend to use a hammer but now a days most of us are not used to / trained enough to use a lead hammer effectively. I recommend the tool you see below and a 1" torque wrench / breaker bar with a +- 2 m (6ft) long shaft. Good luck.

    Best, Peter

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  6. turbo-joe

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    I broke more than 1 piece of the 1/2 inch socket adapters and use only 1 inch meanwhile
    and yes to the direction with the arrow. but you also keep in mind: turning to the front of the car loosens the nuts
     
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  7. turbo-joe

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    but not looks so good ;)
     
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  9. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    There are now several sources for very good sockets to install and remove knockoffs that not only prevent damage to the knock off itself but also really secure it so it does not slip off. The old ones made form large stamped steel truck sockets are the worst of them.
    Invest in a good tool.
     
  10. msdesignltd

    msdesignltd Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #10 msdesignltd, Feb 1, 2025
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    I am sure you let wd 40 sit a few days.. But if all else fails, I would find a safe way of heating the spinner...safely...key word!.. not acetylene, maybe propane torch..or better a heat gun.
    I have bent many a 3ft breaker bar in my days..thats why grease is always applied to threads b4 re install.


    #5 · Jun 29, 2016
    One of mine was stuck. Got it free by putting ice cubes in the hub and heating the spinner with a heat gun.

    HTH
     
  11. bl10

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    Thanks for the replies. I decided not to mess with it with my diy stuff and ordered the Hill spinner tool and a torque multiplier. Hope that does the trick.
    Barry
     
  12. turbo-joe

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    good luck
     
  13. Spitfire

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    Keep us posted please
     
  14. 2dinos

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    Two thumbs wayy up for the torque multiplier and Hill tool!
     
  15. ag512bbi

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    I'm trying to do some research on Which size is my 84 BBI star knockoffs and also my Daytona's star knockoffs. i may have to buy 2 different ones. Can anyone help? Please.
     
  16. pshoejberg

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    I use the same tool for my early 246 as for my bbi if that can be of any help.
    Best, Peter
     
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    I emailed them. This is their response.
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  18. ag512bbi

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    I went ahead and ordered FMB 42.
     
  19. bl10

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    So I purchased the Hill "spinner tool" along with a cheap amazon torque multiplier and the spinners came off with no trouble. Used a ratchet with short cheater tube which i probably didn't need. Some times diy is your own worst enemy.
    Quick question: Is there an easy way to remove the chrome collar on the wheel. There is grease seeping out and I would like to clean it but don't see a way to remove it. The bolt heads appear to be locked to the wheel hub. Nothing wrong just way to much grease.

    Thanks
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  21. EDoug

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    Barry, I thought the lip of your Boxer trim ring looked slightly above the wheel surface and would catch the plastic paint scraper. If it is flush with the wheel surface like the Testarossa trim ring is, it cannot. Sorry. The pics show how the TR bolts lock the wheel to the hub. EDoug
     
  22. bl10

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    Thanks. I didn't know they just snapped on .I'll give it a try in the morning see what happens
     
  23. samsaprunoff

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    Good day Barry,

    I cannot speak for the BBi's, but on the BB's the trim ring does not have any retention lips like the ones for the TR. The BB trim ring does sit on top of the rim and it has a tight fitting lip at the centre which is in contact to protruding portion of the spline assembly. My trim rings were quite weathered and so I bought a new set from Superformance for modest $. I did try to remove the original trim without damaging it, but I was unsuccessful. Perhaps using a wide plastic scraper and slowly working the centre lip all the way around it could be possible to remove without damage.

    As I was installing the new trim rings I could see that the inner lips is a very snug fit with a slight taper which explained to me why they were tough to remove.

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
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  24. pshoejberg

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    [QUOTE="Quick question: Is there an easy way to remove the chrome collar on the wheel. There is grease seeping out and I would like to clean it but don't see a way to remove it. The bolt heads appear to be locked to the wheel hub. Nothing wrong just way to much grease.
    Thanks
    Barry

    Well done Barry, you are half way. The chromed center ring is very difficult to remove. Use a composite (Hard plastic) chisel, WD40 a heat gun and some elbow grease. If there is no dents or corrosion then don't remove them. The aftermarket chrome rings are most likely stainless steel and you will cry if you have to replace your original ones. I removed and re-chromed the rings on my two F-cars with spinners and it was hard work but they look great.

    Best, Peter
     
  25. ago car nut

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    Leave the rings on, spray it down with brake clean and blow gun.
     

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