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  1. rob lay

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    #126 rob lay, Feb 7, 2025
    Not to discourage anyone, but I've never seen items collect more dust and get so unused as fancy sims. I know people who have spent $5k to $250k they all collect dust. One of the problems, at least for me, even if it had only been a couple weeks since I played, it was NEVER turn on and play! There were always download software updates required and something always needed charged like the headsets. Even if that goes smoothly, pretty much only kids and 20 year olds without a job have the time to really play. I work from home and still didn't have the time to play.

    I gave my sim and EVERYTHING to a local young 20 something related to the Ferrari club.
     
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  2. Thecadster

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    #127 Thecadster, Feb 7, 2025
    Who performed the refurb? Simcraft is pretty bullet proof. My system is quite old at this point…around 6 years old which is ancient in tech terms. I am doing a full rebuild: new monitors, new computer with the latest NVIDIA board, and then some ancillary mechanical upgrades. I’ve been using it more and more lately and it still performs flawlessly. Plus, the Simcraft support is unmatched. Those guys are top notch.
     
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  3. Thecadster

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    #128 Thecadster, Feb 7, 2025
    These are all good points. They are complete time black hole, especially if you race seasons in Iracing. Between open practice session, qualifying, waiting for the green flag, running the race, pitting, etc, a single race can take 90-120 minutes. If you crash out on the opening lap, then you get further delayed. Now, Iracing has a pretty solid AI racing component where you can get 80-90% of the racing experience without all the nonsense. Just punch a couple buttons and roll. When I was super into it before, I would buy bespoke cars through special set up labs that were customized for each track.

    With respect to tech support, I am super lucky being a Simcraft customer. Whenever, I have a minor or major glitch, I text my guy and he remotes into my computer for the quick repair. Most often, I never even have to dismount the sim. Those dudes are solid. I’m a technical idiot, so without their support, it would be untenable for me.
     
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    #129 fatbillybob, Feb 7, 2025
    You may have stopped W2W racing before the sim has taken hold. I think Sim racing is ruining real racing. The price of a good training level sim is down to about $5k at the low end and 10K will get you more realism. That's only 5 sets of tires! These last 2 years in SCCA club racing where 80% of the guys are the same names there is a 200% increase in on track incidents that bring out full course yellows. Last year I races the SCCA hoosier supertour around the Country and had only 1 race in my class all year without a full course yellow. Some races got flagged before the end of the 1st lap and not unexpectedly a pair of racers got airlifted out at Runoffs. The waving double yellow flag is now the official flag of SCCA. I'm almost ready to just quit racing because the quality has fallen so badly. The only real change is the Sim making it's way as the new driver development tool. We went from "follow your faster team mate" to "data" to "try it in the Sim." I think the professional risk taking with amateur talent is destroying racecraft and increasing the contact. We might be seeing less failed attempts in the pros because they have more realistic sims.
     
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    #130 danielinCO2, Feb 7, 2025
    It's available from Simcraft. I was looking at cheaper options but Simcraft support seems solid. i want to get better and learn tracks before arriving.
     
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    #131 danielinCO2, Feb 7, 2025
    Thanks for the response. All good points.
     
  7. rob lay

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    #132 rob lay, Feb 7, 2025
    software and batteries aren't a HUGE headache.

    the ones with huge headaches were the fancy multiple axis movement ones, those systems were finicky and hard to find people to work on. In my experience a seat vibrator and wheel feedback is good, but I didn't much need movement beyond that, you start "feeling" the G's even without active movement. you can do all of that for under $5k.
     
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    #133 danielinCO2, Feb 7, 2025
    That's very good to know. CXC told me their hydraulic systems had never once experienced a failure or maintenance issue. Interesting that may not be accurate.

    Software updates taking 45 minutes to load before driving would drive me insane.
     
  9. rob lay

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    #134 rob lay, Feb 7, 2025
    If anyone can do it right, it is CXC because they have done so many. Also 10 years ago most of the 6-digit systems were pretty custom and not as well tested out. Just like anything with hydraulics, they take maintenance eventually. Very hard on the systems to sit around dry for months and then all of a sudden have this abrupt over and over movement that track simulation creates.

    We have several people on here with CXC systems, they should speak up.
     
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    #135 09Scuderia, Feb 10, 2025
    maybe research why F1 drivers and other pro racers don't use sims that have movements...
     
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    #136 rob lay, Feb 10, 2025
    fill us in, hadn't heard that before.
     
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    #137 Thecadster, Feb 10, 2025
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    #138 09Scuderia, Feb 11, 2025
    Bottom line is that no commercial/ consumer grade sim can simulate movement 1:1. If its not 1:1 your brain will be programmed using incorrect inputs. The tech and the software arent there. Matter of fact, if a real racer uses a sim with movement he gets slower IRL. That is why Max and literally every other F1 driver (who use sims) don't have motion. Coolperformance.com has many of the current f1 drivers as clients. Lando Norris's brother, Oliver owns CoolPerformance.com. Research more about this on that site.
     
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    #139 danielinCO2, Feb 11, 2025
    Makes sense. the motion sims seem more fun. thanks for your input.
     
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    #140 Thecadster, Feb 11, 2025
    I can see that being the case for professionals. Have you tested a high end motion sim? They are a ton of fun. Obviously they do not capture G’s, but the motion and sound totally enhance the overall experience. If you ever find yourself in Charlotte, you are welcome to try mine out.
     
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    #141 rob lay, Feb 11, 2025
    I believe that and was my own opinion 10 years ago when I would use Sims to learn a new track for racing. After several laps my brain was feeling the movements as my car would. Also at least 10x cheaper! :D I think only the wheel needs to be the best quality.
     
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    #142 Bas, Feb 12, 2025
    That's the big thing, if you are purely after fun then a motion rig is hard to beat. But chasing the last tenths, I'd shy away from it. That said I'd really like to have a go at trophy trucks, rally cars etc on a motion rig using Beamng. That sim simulates suspension and tyre physics incredibly well.
     
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    #143 Bas, Feb 12, 2025
    Wheel base + pedals are incredibly important
     
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