The Bernie Ecclestone Grand Prix Collection, 69 cars for sale

Doesn't look like 1958 Hawthorn 246 F1 0003 Championship winner does it.

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I never spoke in plural, it is: 1 monoposto, or 2 monoposti. The word is one, not two.
i.e. un mono posto, or due mono posti. Both wrong. The word is one in either case.

Monoposto, Monoposti

Regards, Alberto

 

Another Motorsport pic of Hawthorn 246 F1 0003 from here.

Nothing like it today, at all. The same car???

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0003 original vs 0003 something red

 

Moroccan GP Casablanca 1958.

246 F1 0003.

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Do we know yet if any of these Fcars have found new homes in several collections or are all going to one entity/government (middle east)?

 

I read a weird article in local media where Bernie talked about his love for certain politicians, his family including his new 5 year old AND his offer of his billion NZD car collection, so maybe 500-600mm UKP and suggested the likely buyer would be a nation state such as Saudi Arabia. AFAIK its still for sale with Tom Hartley, he is certainly still advertising it and I can only imagine contract negotations won't be easy.

I would note the article didn't make me fall in love with Bernie, the man, just the opposite. I would also note that 5-10 years ago the collection would easily have fetched 500-600mm but today, not so much..... We have seen the Wexner collection of Ferraris take 5 years to sell and if a Saudi Arabia or Qatar doesn't choose to sportswash, it will take 5 years to split and laboriously sell this collection.

 

Thanks Steve.
Chassis 007, which went to Peter Hoare in NZ, until recently lived in the barn next to where my 308GT4 lives. Because of that I became very interested in the 246 F1 story. The history of the NZ 007 is well documented. However there were a number of iterations of the chasses used, large and small tubes and different lengths.

I have often wondered if the various numbered chasses were new, lengthened, or in fact just a longer wheelbase based on the spaceframe extension. None of the various books seems to answer that.

 

I doubt Bernie is too much worried about how much it all sells for.

 

Bonhams sold #0011 from Italian ownership in 2022 (?) and freely admitted the original was rebuilt annually by Ferrari on new chassis from '57 thru '60, as suited.

I don't know if Doug Nye is still their chief researcher? but here is the main bit of interest

"Chassis serial number '0011' would then be conveniently re-applied by Ferrari - largely for Customs carnet convenience in shipping around the racing world - to a series of re-chassised team cars through the 1958-60 seasons. The serial number features in the extensive documentation file accompanying this Lot, and is acknowledged in Ferrari factory documents relating to the Cupellini car's long display in the Enzo Ferrari family museum in Modena. However, in period '0011' was applied to both F1 and F2 cars as convenient - built to different specifications and cannot be considered to relate to "the same" car."

https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/26999/lot/234/the-ex-corrado-cupelliniferrari-dino-24660-formula-1-racing-single-seater-chassis-no-0011/

 

Definitely not Hawthorn's 246, which was a 246 F1 1958 model, and does not exist any more, and only using the same 0003 chassis number for carnet purposes? However the car currently for sale is not a replica and just a different 246 F1 1960 model and of course a fantastic genuine and real car with its own 1960 Ferrari race history merit and interesting history thereafter along with its specific 1960 specification.

Hawthorn wrote to Enzo Ferrari asking if he could buy his 1958 championship winning car for sentimental reasons but did not get a reply and thought the car had been scrapped.

 

if you want to market such a car, don’t link Hawthorn’s 1958 car with it then. So incorrect.

 

Apparently Mark Mateschitz (Red Bull co-owner) acquired the collection:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-14469791/Bernie-Ecclestone-completes-sale-500m-private-car-collection-Red-Bull-billionaire-Mark-Mateschitz.html

 

very nice. I am sure he will show them in Hangar 7
that is 4h away from my home .....

 

I think all things considering the collection went to a good new home/owner. Looks like Mateschitz plans to show it to the public, which is a good thing.

 

Probably be well taken care of. Hope they don't paint them all up in Red Bull colors like they do with the historic aircraft

 

Now confirmed by Tom Hartley Junior, that the whole collection went to one buyer

 

It seems like the best outcome we could have hoped for.

 

Another shot of 312 0010 at SPA 1966 from the other side. Also, John in the car at SPA. Mr. Fooshee took the photos with Kodachrome. They are running P3 wheels on the rear and 1966 F1 style wheels on the front.



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I understand this is 0010 at Reims with Bandini after Surtees left Ferrari. Pole and DNS.




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