355 - Few codes, headache | Page 2 | FerrariChat

355 Few codes, headache

Discussion in '348/355' started by Ben111, Feb 13, 2025.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    13,856
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    Purple/black for the bypass, purple for the RH cat. Not sure how easy that is to spot in that location. The other two colours are the same. You may have to do continuity checks between the ECU and the connectors. Anyway, if this is a recent development, it won’t be the plugs swapped over. There was no issues straight after the major.
     
    WATSON likes this.
  2. Ben111

    Ben111 Karting

    Jun 14, 2018
    113
    Full Name:
    Ben

    The #22 fuse appears to be ok
     
    Qavion likes this.
  3. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    13,856
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    Don’t have an ohmmeter? I’m sure the fuse is ok. There’d probably be more messages if the fuse was blown, but it would be good to know if the fuse checks ok with an ohmmeter… or better still, 13~14 volts on both ends of the fuse with the car running. Or even better, check the voltage at the O2 sensor connectors (although that may be difficult with the engine running). Maybe you could compare the resistances across the white wires on each sensor (engine off). It will give you something to do whilst waiting for your cat ECUs.
     
  4. Ben111

    Ben111 Karting

    Jun 14, 2018
    113
    Full Name:
    Ben
    thanks I’ll have a look and report back.


    Hopefully the ECU’s will be here in the next few days, question regarding these, as I’m reading contradicting info online.
    Can I simply disconnect all 3 ecus, I know the slow down light won’t like it, but will/should it stop the limp mode from happening if the cause is a faulty cat ecu?

    wouldn’t be a long term fix as I have some coming anyway, just a thought incase the sensors are taking their time arriving and I get a nice dry day to test it out
     
  5. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
    Consultant

    Nov 29, 2001
    13,398
    San Carlos, CA
    Full Name:
    Mitchell Le
    No, with the 355, if the TCU signal is removed, that input to the ECU is pulled up to 5V which is way beyond triggering level. The slow down light will still come on and within 15 minutes the ignition will cut out.
     
  6. Ben111

    Ben111 Karting

    Jun 14, 2018
    113
    Full Name:
    Ben
    ok thanks, I had a 348 beforehand, a previous owner had disconnected the cat ecus and I had used the car a good few months without issue before I realised, had me wondering with the conflicting info regarding the 355.


    Ok so far, with the #22 the fuse, I’m getting a resistance of 0.03 across the fuse, and 14v either side
     
    Qavion likes this.
  7. Ben111

    Ben111 Karting

    Jun 14, 2018
    113
    Full Name:
    Ben
    #32 Ben111, Feb 20, 2025
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2025
    Ran out of time however the resistance across the white cable terminals on the 02 sensor next to the left hand side cat ecu was 0.40
     
    Qavion likes this.
  8. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    13,856
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    Not sure if this is normal. Were the O2 sensors hot? Cold, they should be just over 2 ohms.
     
  9. Ben111

    Ben111 Karting

    Jun 14, 2018
    113
    Full Name:
    Ben
    They were Cold, hadn’t started the engine
     
  10. Ben111

    Ben111 Karting

    Jun 14, 2018
    113
    Full Name:
    Ben
    Qavion likes this.
  11. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    13,856
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    Interesting. I’ll try and confirm the resistances on my car later today. Were the plugs disconnected when you did the tests?

    (EDIT) Sorry, cross posted. Ignition off. You’re doing the test correctly.
     
  12. Ben111

    Ben111 Karting

    Jun 14, 2018
    113
    Full Name:
    Ben
    I posted just before you, disconnected
     
    Qavion likes this.
  13. Ben111

    Ben111 Karting

    Jun 14, 2018
    113
    Full Name:
    Ben
    #38 Ben111, Feb 20, 2025
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2025
    I’ve just tried another sensor near the battery terminal, I’m getting nothing on the pins on this one?
    Image Unavailable, Please Login


    And there is one directly below, (photo 2). I’m getting 0.45 on this
     

    Attached Files:

  14. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    13,856
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    #39 Qavion, Feb 20, 2025
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2025
    Definitely sounds wrong. Are you sure you had the sensors/lower plugs connected when doing the resistance check?

    I had forgotten how difficult the plugs are to access on these cars. I checked my right bank upper connections, and the sensor wiring with the blue tape on it was 3.5 ohms (upstream sensor) and the downstream sensor was 2.1 ohms. I see there is a small extension harness on each probe. By "upper connections", I mean the highest (most easily accessible) plugs.

    In typical fashion, I broke (or found broken bits) on my car. The inlet ducting had fallen off the airbox and the clip on one of the O2 sensor plugs had broken off.
     
  15. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    13,856
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    I'm wondering if you have standard Bosch O2 sensors.
     
  16. Ben111

    Ben111 Karting

    Jun 14, 2018
    113
    Full Name:
    Ben
    Just performed the test again on the top sensor on the left and the top sensor on the right side.

    The sensor on the right is still giving me no reading, or a open circuit I believe it’s called
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  17. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    13,856
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    Top sensor? Do you mean top sensor connectors? I've just removed the metal clips on my connectors, so I'm not sure which is top and and which is bottom. Do you have blue tape on the harness anywhere?

    Whatever you do, don't mix up the pre and post cat connections.

    I'd definitely replace the O2 sensor showing open circuit. I've read somewhere that you should replace the sensors in pairs. Whether they mean post/precat sensors on one side or, say, the precat sensors on both sides, I'm not sure. I guess the latter.
     
  18. Ben111

    Ben111 Karting

    Jun 14, 2018
    113
    Full Name:
    Ben
    On my car I appear to have one sensor below the other on each side

    Left side photo 1
    Right side photo 2

    and I’m disconnecting the plugs to then access the pins where the white leads go to.

    im only unplugging + reconnecting one at a time so that I don’t get mixed up, but then again I don’t see how I could with the length of the cables

    also is the reading on the second test in my last post still not right?
     

    Attached Files:

  19. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    13,856
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
  20. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    13,856
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    My car may be different. I have two plugs bolted to an upright.

    Image Unavailable, Please Login

    On the right hand side of my car, the upper plug is part of the precat O2 sensor cabling (with blue tape around the ECU side harness). The cables shown are extension cables which go to the O2 sensor plugs lower down. You can mix up the harnesses on my car.

    Left hand side here:

    Image Unavailable, Please Login

    It's difficult to tell which is the precat sensor cabling without pulling the car to bits or getting a mirror or boroscope to check. Also in the photo are the plugs for the Technistrada thermocouple ECU.
     
  21. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    13,856
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    #46 Qavion, Feb 20, 2025
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2025
    Part of the engine wiring diagram:

    Image Unavailable, Please Login

    (actually the wire colour change on my car begins at the higher frame-mounted plug and the black (N) ground wire should be on the sensor, not the plug)

    I see I added a note some time ago, saying that the pre/post cat resistances are different. Your 3.8 ohm reading is probably the post cat sensor. I don't know why you're getting 0.54 ohms on the other sensors. Seems much too low. And you certainly shouldn't be getting open circuit.

    I can't remember if heater failures force the ECUs into open loop mode or illuminate the CEL.
     
  22. Ben111

    Ben111 Karting

    Jun 14, 2018
    113
    Full Name:
    Ben
    The 3.8 reading is from the blue tape sensor, which you said should be the pre cat.

    I will test the lower sensor on the right hand side again today to see if I failed to make good contact, the open circuit sensor though is definitely faulty as no matter what I did I couldn’t get a reading.

    I couldn’t really see a blue tape on the right hand side, to be honest the configuration of the cables/sensors on my car has thrown me off a little, I read a little beforehand how easy it is to mix them up, whoever installed them on my car did a neat job of cable tieing to keep things in check.

    I wasn’t able to reach the last sensor, which is below the blue taped one, I will have a go later when I’m home.

    I assume one of my codes are relating to the open circuit sensor
     
  23. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    13,856
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    Can you confirm that the harnesses with the blue tape on them actually go to the correct sensors (on the cats)? Then create a table with values:

    LH precat
    LH post cat
    RH precat
    RH post cat.

    "Top" and "bottom" is not giving me any reference points. If the resistances match (left to right), excluding, of course, the open circuit one, then it could be due to the sensor type (i.e. normal on your car) or perhaps it could be an age issue (why they are different from mine).

    Do you have blue tape on the sensor and on the harnesses? I think my ECU harness and sensor extension harnesses have blue tape, but not the sensor leads themselves (although it's hard to see that far down).

    Once you have confirmed the open circuit sensor location, I would order two of that type. Last time I checked, they were hard to find.
    e.g. precat: Bosch 0258003819, Ferrari p/n 169953

    If you are able to find them, test the resistance before installation.

    I thought I had at least one precat sensor in my spares, but only found rear ones.
     
  24. Ben111

    Ben111 Karting

    Jun 14, 2018
    113
    Full Name:
    Ben
    Will do, my top and bottom reference seem somewhat silly now I’ve realised the location can differ slightly car to car, I assumed they had fixed locations such as the cat ecus
     
  25. Qavion

    Qavion F1 World Champ
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 20, 2015
    13,856
    Sydney
    Full Name:
    Ian Riddell
    Here's an interesting thread on O2 heaters.

    https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/142914608/

    It seems that the ECU can control the current going to the heater. I just thought the input to the ECU was for some kind of heater powerloss monitoring.
     

Share This Page