296 VS

Wait - what.
458A Speciale Stradale Pista Spider are at msrp or double msrp - ?

 

Speaking in general, overall. And referring to coupes only (296VS)
And yes spiders are always higher, msrp++, due to fact made much less..

 

Understand.
Every 5 years - expect next version to be nothing like VS. 2030 - a lot is going to change.
Production typical of two years - don't think it's going to be easy or fast to get one.
Ferrari knows the longer the wait, longer people hold their cars - XX requirements was not an oopsie moment. If it's a hot car - all rear engine track versions will rise.

 

No.

 

This is absolutely incorrect and should not be mistaken for a fact. Many believe it is true when it is not!

My Ferrari Dealer installed my Novitec Exhaust on my F8 and said it would not affect the Warranty.

 

this is 100% correct followed by the F8 with an upgraded Exhaust. The F8 is basically a Pista just made for the Road, not the Track.

But I will still take my 296 GTB AF. It's a Monster by comparison. The car is new from the ground up. F8 is 18 years old of linage.

 

My Ferrari dealer made it very clear to me that ANY modification to the exhaust of my 812GTS will jeopardize my warranty. He stated they recently have really cracked down. He even said that I shouldn’t do an exhaust valve controller. The same dealer had previously installed that in my 458.

I wanted to do a Capristo exhaust with X pipe- leaving the cats w/ GPF fully stock. Very frustrating.

 

Have heard the same from 3 Ferrari dealers on 812, F8, 296 - even just for a valve controller. Whereas they sold and installed a slick valve controller for 458 last year (and might still).

 

Always been discussion whether mods to the car will cause issues with warrantee.

Let me say it like this

No mods 100% guarantee that your car will receive full treatment in rectifying the issue under the Ferrari 3 year warrantee 100%

Modify your car and its hearsay , yes / no what ever however I can be 100% confident that the chances of Ferrari approving the problem will be 100% 0R LESS.

In other words YOU are taking the chance. Tell me will the dealer put it in writing that they will fix the issue ? NO CHANCE whatsoever.

Your a grown individual make the decision yourself. Just don't mislead people thinking because YOUR dealer installed the mod / said it was ok will hold up when a claim is required.

Want 100% piec of mind do not modify the car. Actually if your not happy with the power / sound buy the appropriate car that will make you happy.

This discussion is like a broken record ALWAYS happens every time a new car is released.

 

The electronics on the valve controller on those 3 models is different now. Any changes WILL be recorded by the in car electronics. Previous models were manual valve well pneumatic with no feed back. Simple disconnect of the air tube made valves stay in the open position.

 

Don't mod your modern Ferrari. Period.

 

Ferrari should give USA buyer the option to delete the GPF. I’d pay $20K for that with a great exhaust sound (quality not volume).

 

I never get this , Ferrari spend much more than any after market producer on development of a car . The supposed advantages of exhaust , lowering , changing wheels and more just do not make sense to me . A dealer may well say something will not effect warranty however that is the dealer not Ferrari and all claims go back to Maranello. Risk V Reward, not for me .

 

Nonsense. My Dealer installed my Novitec catback exhaust. They must not like you guys. Plus they know it’s tuned but can’t see it. They just want a ride. Completely changed my F8. Turn up that Boost!!!!! I love modding my cars.

 

Thats cool. Do as you please.
Just don't assume every dealer will do it.
Don't assume that your car will be fixed if the Turbos blow up

AND please let the audience know the dealer so they may go to them and do the same.

 

100% correct. Just because a dealer will install it, doesn’t mean the manufacturer will cover something under the warranty. The dealer is not the manufacturer. Any repair work that has to be done under warranty has to be approved by the manufacturer and the dealer has no input or say in the matter.

Now if the dealer is willing to pay for something themselves if a warranty claim is denied, that is a different story. However I am pretty confident that will never occur and the dealer just find whatever excuse. Most aftermarket exhaust and upgrades come with warnings that say “track use only” or some other disclaimer that they are not responsible for voiding a warranty. That is by design as those companies know the risk and ramifications of installing an aftermarket part.

bottom line is just because a dealer installs it, doesn’t mean a thing and certainly doesn’t mean a warranty claim will be covered.

 

why would anything aftermarket be as well designed and engineered vs Ferrari themselves? Consider how much research goes into just the wheels. The weights, sizes, lugs, materials..all designed to work with the overall machine. Yet, people will remove the OEM wheels, increase the size and weight, and wonder why their car seems to hate them.

 

In France, it's not possible. If you change anything, you lose your warranty. When I asked my dealer to make a change, he told me to go somewhere else. The problem is, if you have a car issue far away. The next Ferrari dealer will tow your car to the garage and inform Ferrari about the modifications. But back to the VS.

I also had an exhaust problem with my GTS after 500 kilometers. Every third car last year has this issue. The repair costs 7,500 euros but was covered under warranty. If you start modifying the car, you will have to pay for everything yourself.

 

I generally agree (though Ferrari does not have a monopoly on good engineering).

However, Ferrari's exhausts are built today within the confines of significant constraints - mostly regulatory, some self-imposed (like the choice to install GPFs in US-bound cars). It's reasonable to think that another company operating without such constraints might build an exhaust that will perform and/or sound better.

 

You misunderstood ...
This is what I posted - I said my dealer installs after market. Maybe we have the same dealer.

Never said it was for everybody -
1. You don't know - my F dealer sells and installs after market on brand new Ferrari's
2. Exhausts I choose take existing sound and beef up notes - of course there are many options.
3. They remove a layer of class, Wrong again - they have a remote to open / close valves. Best of both worlds.
4. The crackles on deceleration are on my factory exhaust Dino.
Ferrari made a Challenge exhaust for 360 - Ferrari track versions always receive a beefed up exhaust.
In my mind the track version of the street car are the best Ferrari's - b/c they are modified.
One word - Michelotto

 

All you people want to do is argue. I get it done, you don’t. I see why…..

 

they will partly be doing it with price considerations, an eye opener for me personally was when the p4/5 managed to save 280kg from the Enzo !

 

There is a big difference between owners / dealers and opinions.
Maybe a few percent of owners post here - so it is what it is.

 

What exhaust problem did you have on which GTS? TY!

 

812's were given more hp with the GPF filter - so by switching exhaust you get more than the stock pre GPF. 812 pre GPF sounds insanely good.
Ferrari did not have to re- engineer the 812 to offer more hp with the GPF but they did and did it again on the 812GTS,
I would be very reluctant to say Ferrari does not have a monopoly on "good" engineering -
F1 full builder since 1950 - more podiums and wins than any other.
Let's see what the F80 and VS does on track against another exotic car co.