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4 Post Lift Recommendations

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  1. jsumnertx

    jsumnertx Karting

    Dec 9, 2004
    161
    Austin
    #1 jsumnertx, Dec 15, 2024
    Last edited: Dec 15, 2024
    I posted about my 4 post lift purchase and @stoked_7 and @Yoric had some questions. Putting follow-ups here since there are lots of opinions on lifts and it deserves its own thread.

    So post your experiences for them on your 4-post lifts. Last thread on this in the 308 board seemed to be 2016 and things have changed since then.


    First thing I learned about buying a lift is that you need to measure, measure, and measure again.

    I have a google doc on the dimensions of every lift I researched if you want to see the published dimensions and compare. I finally chose the 9000-HD from Advantage with a "wing kit"

    My requirements were
    * Outside tire width of 80" for my wide car
    * Max 204" long because my garage is "short" and none of the "long" lifts fit
    * "Tall" enough to fit a 66" car under the lift and take advantage of my 10" to the garage door, my overall 10"6" ceiling height, and 10"3" to the bottom of a garage light.

    Personal preferences were.
    * I preferred the Solid post over C-channel
    * I preferred 110V. Current panel is full and would need a new run to run 220V
    * Preferred mechanical locks over air-driven
    * The Wildfire Xl was really wide (like a foot wider than the Advantage) and I didn't want to lose that garage space
    * Preferred rolling accessories like a bridge jack over a sliding tray or bridge jack

    I paid advantage to come install it. Installing it yourself requires a good capacity trailer, an engine hoist, and 3 good friends who will spend all day installing a lift. I chose the credit-card route but it did then take 2 months to schedule the install.

    Overall I'm very happy. The thing is stout - I'm not worried about safety at all - and I'm very satisfied with the up/down and car on/car off experience.

    Yoric, typically to lift a wheel (or more) when you are using a 4 post lift, there is a sliding jack tray that you put a bottle jack into. As an alternative, a "bridge jack" goes between the runways and provides 1/2 of a 2-post lift solution to jack up either the front of the car or the back of the car. Then you could use the sliding jack try to lift the other end of the car (or to support jack-stands). I haven't tried mine yet. That's a task for today.

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  2. jsumnertx

    jsumnertx Karting

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    Austin
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  3. jkg2101

    jkg2101 Karting

    Jan 25, 2015
    176
    New York
    I now have 2 Challenger 4 post lifts (9000 lb model) with 220v motor. i went with challenger because somewhere along the way, i got the impression they were made in usa. maybe the motor is made in usa, but the steel is most likely not made in usa. they are robust, good quality, not flimsy at all, and cost more than the cheapest lifts out there. i recommend the brand and model. CL4ps i think is the model. Costco had a great special on them years ago, but not recently.
    bendpak requires air pressure to disengage the locks, which seems annoying and inconvenient. with the challenger, you just have to move a lever

    i know there are lots of other brands out there. they are probably more similar than different. the only one that is very different is the Autostacker. it does not have columns at all, which frees up space in a tight garage. but it has a separate control unit, which will take up space, so in the end i did not go with this more expensive lift. (It also has a flat platform with no access to the bottom of the car).

    although I am a do-it-myself person for everything, i just could not justify the effort in hauling and installing one of these. installation of one for me was just recently something like $1300, which is not cheap!
     
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  4. stoked_7

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    Great info and thank you for sharing all of the details.
     
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  5. s219

    s219 Formula Junior

    Aug 26, 2021
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    @jsumnertx did you have to do anything with your garage door, ie, a high lift kit?

    I have been thinking about putting a 4-post lift in one side of my car barn, but I'll need to do something about the garage door -- I have about 9' clearance under the door when it's rolled open and sitting overhead on the tracks. I can gain about 12" more if I put a high lift kit on the door to raise it higher, but not sure it's worth it to gain just an extra 12-14".
     
  6. jsumnertx

    jsumnertx Karting

    Dec 9, 2004
    161
    Austin

    Yup. My garage ceiling is 10'6" but the original garage door was a standard overhead model so it only went to the top of the door itself - maybe 8-1/2 feet off the ground. I got multiple estimates and they varied greatly. Found someone who raised the track to a "high lift" system and let me go buy the door lift (a liftmaster wall mount). Now the very lowest point of the garage door is about 9'10" and the lowest point of an overhead fluorescent light is about 10"3".

    Getting the additional height is all about what you need it for. Lifts only have locks every so often (Advantage is about 5 inches between locks) and you need to lift it above the lock before setting it back down. So you need to know lock positions, runway height, and car height.
     
  7. s219

    s219 Formula Junior

    Aug 26, 2021
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    I've been doing the math for the locks too, which is not something you want to miss! It's amazing how many things need to be taken into consideration, including floor slope. My garage floor has a standard 1/8" per foot slope so there is about 3" height difference front to back. I have been measuring floor to fixtures on the high end since that has the least amount of vertical space, but that is conservative since the high point of cars are generally in the middle or rear and there could be a notable difference between hood height and roof height on a car.

    Right now I could stack two 308/328 cars without an issue, or put my 328 on the bottom and my S2000 on the top as long as the S2000 convertible top is lowered. There is more flexibility if cars are backed on the lift since that would put the low part of most cars under the door but not sure I want to be backing a manual transmission car onto the ramps regularly.

    I need to get more specific about the headroom gains a high lift kit would buy me and maybe take car shape into account. I am finishing up a jackshaft opener install in one bay of my car barn today and will make some measurements to see what gains I can get on the other side where a lift could go.

    What's your impression after living with the lift -- is it a hassle to get the 308 out for a drive? Right now I like the flexibility of having four cars spread across four bays. I drive them all about equally. The lift will let me store a 5th car but with less flexibility/convenience.

    I'll put a pic of the high bay (with 328) below. I believe the distance between the ceiling and the garage door torsion spring drums is going to define what gain I can get with a high lift kit.

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  8. jkg2101

    jkg2101 Karting

    Jan 25, 2015
    176
    New York
    I have two 4-post lifts, and also a low rise 2-post lift for working on the car. access to the cars on the 4 post lift is a bit of a pain - i have to move the car underneath, lower the lift, and then attach the very heavy extended length ramps. this last part, the ramps, is the biggest frustration. yes, it only takes a minute to do, but they are heavy. Ideally, the lift would have ramps that stay on the lift, but those kind of lifts need to be raised really high to drive a car underneath without hitting the ramps, so not practical for almost anyone
    i seriously considered a different kind of lift - the Autostacker - because it does not need ramps at all. but that lift has its own issues, with a large separate control console, and the lift cross arms, that might get in the way. and it is expensive

    in the end, a 4 post lift is only a good idea for me, because without them, i would have no where to put my cars! i would much rather have more garages, but that is not in the cards right now. hoping to get rid of the kids cars and the wife's car in the near future...
     
  9. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Dec 4, 2004
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    I wish I had that garage ceiling height. Mine is 9'9" near the front and 9'7" near the back of the garage to the ceiling. The motor is 7" tall for the door/chain so at most I could get 9 feet clear. Is it basically not feasible to get a lift with only 9 foot max space since you said the lift has to go above the lock and then down to secure? I'm looking to put two sports cars (coupes) on it...about 52" and 54" heights each.
     
  10. jsumnertx

    jsumnertx Karting

    Dec 9, 2004
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    Austin

    I’ve been happy with how quickly I can get the car going off the lift. It doesn’t really affect how often I take the car out, but I was probably only driving it once or twice a month before when it wasn’t on the lift so now it’s about the same. definitely wouldn’t put my grocery getter up there. It adds five or so minutes to move the lower car, lower the car, attach the ramps, back the 308 out, and move the ramps back into the garage before closing the garage door. The advantage lift comes with aluminum ramps, which are about half the weight of steel ramps. Definitely get aluminum ramps.

    you solved a mystery for me of why my ceiling was 10’3” nearest the house and 10’6” nearest the garage door. Thanks for clearing that up!

    I could probably get the Ferrari the be stored one lock position higher if I backed it in but fortunately I don’t need to do that. Agree that would take some practice. Fortunately the lift is pretty wide compared to the 308. There’s bags of room on either side. The Corvette is much tighter.
     
  11. jsumnertx

    jsumnertx Karting

    Dec 9, 2004
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    Austin

    Yeah, that’s tight. a wall mount opener has the shaft a couple inches from the ceiling.

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    My lift guy didn’t seem to have a ton of experience with high lifts and got the top of the door about 3 inches from the ceiling and the door is about 4 inches thick at its widest point. Maybe someone could skim the ceiling a little more and squeeze out a few more inches.

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  12. jsumnertx

    jsumnertx Karting

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    Rule of thumb is that you will need the two car heights + 10 inches to account for lock spacing & runway thickness. By that standard, you would need 116 inches of clearance. The lowest point of my garage door is 7 inches from the ceiling even with the high lift. That looks like it's not going to work for you.
     
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  13. BMW.SauberF1Team

    BMW.SauberF1Team F1 World Champ

    Dec 4, 2004
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    Thanks that's really helpful! I was hoping I could stack my Nissan GTR and Z, but seems I would need to put a shorter car on that stack. Guess it's more reason to find a super low Fcar lol. 355 Challenge if I'm lucky this year!
     
  14. BrettC

    BrettC Formula 3

    Aug 13, 2012
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    So rebuilding my 40 x 40 shop after a fire. 14' eves no space issues here. Had a 2 post lift. Now considering a 4 post so I can move it around "if needed". Is it gonna kill me moving around underneath a 4 post for routine work on my 488? Oil, brakes etc? Yes. I'll get a bridge jack, maybe a rolls royce to park up there and Ferrari underneath...so if measurements aren't an issue? Recommendations?
    Thanks
    Brett
     
  15. stoked_7

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    I think many underestimate how low a garage can be and still stack two cars. They have a nice formula on Advantage Lifts to make it easy to determine.
    https://realgaragelife.com/pages/4-post-car-lift-stacking-formula

    Plenty of space to work under a 4 post if you buy a high lift version. This one has 6'10" under the lift deck on top position.
    https://realgaragelife.com/products/advantage-dx-9000xlt
     
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  16. Imatk

    Imatk Formula Junior

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    I prefer 2-post lifts personally. That's just me. Others seem fine with either. Just more clearance with a 2-post and less aggravation (for me)
     
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  17. lm2504me

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  18. BrettC

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  19. Willl

    Willl Karting

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    After a lot of research I purchase a Advantage DX-9000-HD seven weeks ago, should show up next week I hope.
    My top pick for 9,000 lbs. and below. You don't need air to operate it. Comes with a 110v motor, so slow to rise but can be ordered with 220v.
    Made in China but so are the rest of the lifts in the 9,000 lbs. and below.

    If you have the room go with a 14,000 lb. 4 post lift without air. Will be a much nicer lift for the money.
     
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  20. Arizona30

    Arizona30 Karting

    Aug 23, 2018
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    I bought an Atlas 8000 3 years ago and have been very happy with my purchase. Also had the seller put it together for me, can't remember the added cost though. Normally I have covers on both, but wanted to show they fit with either car on top. Ceiling is just shy of 10ft.
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