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A guy told me that the spider has different exhaust and sounds better than the coupe’. Any confirms about that?

 

That’s more than a bit disappointing. The videos I’ve seen give the same impression which in total is not a good look.

 

I had the opportunity to test 12 cilindri coupe today, it was incredible drive. The driving, brakes, steering wheel, everything was spot on. The car feels abit big but still very easy for me. The sound was incredible, inside and out. The gear shifts are amazing, sounds like a bullet. Honestly you must experience it real life.

I also tried the massage seats, feels so good to be in such sports car comfort of massage .

Overall 12 cilindri exceeded my expectations.

 

have you every drive an 812 ? How is the sound compare to that of?

thanks

 

Never drove one, so not sure how 812 feels from inside but from outside, the 2019 812 sounds louder.. but still i really like 12 Cilindri sound..

 

Ever drive an F12 or a Lamborghini V-12?

 

Cerchi Fusi is Italian for

If you get the test drive please let us know your thoughts!

 

I drove this and the Puro this weekend at the challenge races. Aside from those, the only other V12 I've driven was the 812 Superfast. This is a lot more tame than the 812 for sure, but much more composed. Also I'd be looking for more of a cruiser so this didn't bother me. It is quiet at low RPM and you have to wind it out to hear it.

 

Quieter sound than the 812?

 

As compared to a non-GPF 812, most definitely.
However, the 12c does incorporate "hot tubes" to pipe induction noise to the cabin space, however, out the tailpipe it is very quiet per EU regulations (and Ferrari only builds a single exhaust, made to conform with the lowest common regulation).

 

I think the time has come for people to get over the fact Ferrari has gone quiet-literally. The regulators in Europe have beaten it into submission and they have no appetite for a nonEU exhaust. If you like a Ferrari for whatever strengths it has great, buy it ,do it. And if necessary get an aftermarket exhaust to soothe the itch for “sound”. Not ideal for many but it is the world we live in. We need country leaders who are pro sound- vote appropriately.

 

Hopefully the USA market will still welcome ICE in 2035.

I feel that Ferrari will make ICE cars for the US market. And I believe that Ferrari will offer the best sounding cars to Americans. So let’s make some noise about how GPF harm our ears! The USA doesn’t need GPF.

The EU will of course ban ICE engines. So Ferrari’s electric production line will build the quietest and fastest electric cars for the rest of the world.

 

After a test drive yesterday I would agree with this analysis. The car is very quiet at normal speeds and only tends to show its voice close to the redline. Even then it’s fairly muted other than the gear change ‘crack’ near the redline. The problem is that at road speeds there are not many opportunities to be regularly up near the redline.

Otherwise it’s a great drive.

I think in today’s world (in the EU and the UK at least) having a noisy exhaust is becoming increasingly socially unacceptable. Ferrari are just playing to changing times and regulations.

 

Since Ferrari only offers one car for the world everyone gets saddled with the worst and most regulated version.

Happy to see the rest of the world abandon ICE starting in 2030 and becoming unanimous in 2035.

Ferrari will make ICE for the USA market and allow for a better sounding and longer lasting engine provided that the USA ditch the unrealistic and overly regulated emissions /noise / mileage path of the EU/UK.

This path has ushered-in premature engine failures, reduced performance, and piston/rod bearing accelerated failure rates.

Looking forward to Ferraris which can breathe , perform at their peak, and run for many more miles.

 

Where did you read that?

 

The engine failures have occurred with many recent models from many mainstream manufacturers which previously had a life of many hundreds of thousands of miles.

The added catalytic converter s and the GPf and the insane cold start emissions requirements along with the ever spiraling mileage standards create a distorted world for engine design and management.

Just look at the strange rubber seals employed at the gas station which foil your attempt at filling up the tank.

However the increasingly unrealistic mileage and emission regulations standards create the ever moving goals which decrease performance and increase engine failure.

Reducing internal friction in the cylinder lead to less compete isolation of the bottom end and the oil and the gasoline inside the combustion chamber


The end result is mixing of the fuel and oil and burning of the oil.

Ask any mechanics about the change in oil
Consumption of the Ferrari v12s during the quest of the regulators


Is a liter of oil burned
Every 500-700 miles normal or optimal?


Perhaps it’s a result of trying to exceed the performance of the previous model and the attempt to meet higher mileage standards !


The progressive left who seem to believe that ICE engine extinction is the solution to climate change


Throughout the history of the earth the climate has changed. Notice the earthquakes and thermal changes due to volcanic activity around the globe which have nothing to do with fossil fuels.

And going all electric poses many challenges to our environment which aren’t green at all

One can make athe argument that the whole left progressive green movement is fundamentally horrible and worse for our Mother Earth

 

We don't have these in Europe. What are they supposed to do? Collect the fumes?

Oil consumption in high performance engines was always the norm. This is actually desirable for a number of reasons. It is even more prevalent in racing engines.

"It is important to know that engines are designed in a way that they burn oil as a part of their regular operations. This means that not all excessive consumption of engine oil is an indicator of a problem. Engine manufacturers always indicate what the normal amount of oil consumption is under defined conditions. Therefore, before labeling engine oil burning as a problem, make sure that you consult the engine manufacturer’s guidelines."
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en-eur/understanding-how-engines-burn-oil-for-optimal-machinery-performance/


I haven't heard about the specific problems you mentioned in mainstream cars, that is why I asked where you had read it. There have always been problematic engines, but there are less of them now than in the past.

 

You are not alone in your assessment. This is why it's time to collect 812 GTS as more are collecting backwards.

 

812 GTS can be greatly appreciated when comparing with the new……one of my favorites most guys took their time, and created something special

 

Too bad the 812 GTS had to have the GPF for the USA market while that filter wasn’t required here but was in other markets.

 

there are many YouTube videos about how there is a recent trend of otherwise hardy engines failing

Mechanics suspect the attempt to meet these unrealistic targets while still exceeding performance of the older models is to blame.

Reducing the friction of the piston and ring set up inside the cylinder may cause dangerous mixing of the oil and fuel creating hot spots and accelerated wear and premature oil chemical degradation.

Also the added complexity of meeting new emission standards on cold start up and other situations comes at the expense of reliability .

Ferrari V8 engines in the modern age have virtually
No oil consumption When they do, it signals a problem.

But the more recent Ferrari non-turbo V12, burn more oil than the V8. Considerably more. What effect does that have on their expiration date? Spun bearings on the bottom end?

Are spun bearings at less than 12,000 miles acceptable? When I was looking for an engine shop to help with my 458, the head of the shop told me that they their hands full with a spun crankshaft of an F12 with that very low mileage.

My 458 had 145,000 miles in comparison.

Daves Engine channel and the Toyota repair channel also comment on these failures as being more common lately. They sate their personal / professional opinions .

 

Never heard of an F12 burning oil. I've owned mine for 11 years and the oil is always spot on and never added a drop. Of course, it gets the annual change with the service. The 812 started with the strange oil consumption. I would be uneasy with that kind of issue and would keep the warranty for as long as I owned the car.

 

Yes heard the same about the 812 burning a quart of oil every 500-800 miles from a master tech.
Do V12 owner drive long distances and put miles on their cars?
So maybe it’s not a concern since V12 owners are afraid to drive or lose money due to mileage depreciation and repairs?

Maybe 12,000 miles is the time to get rid of the V12 Ferrari~ near the end of its normal engine life

 

That's a scarry thought!

 

I have 18k on the clock and just took the car on a multi-state cruise. No issues with the engine nor burning oil... again I'd wager those are corner cases not the norm. I recall seeing one F12 owner with 100k on the clock in the Pacific Northwest I thought...