Whom will win the US election? | Page 155 | FerrariChat

Whom will win the US election?

Discussion in 'Australia' started by carl888, Nov 2, 2020.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

?

Who will win the US election?

  1. Biden

    30 vote(s)
    31.3%
  2. Trump

    51 vote(s)
    53.1%
  3. Moretti

    15 vote(s)
    15.6%
  1. MANDALAY

    MANDALAY F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    May 23, 2013
    14,330
    AUSTRALIA
    Full Name:
    ANGELO
    Albanese is stating

    However, the exports of those two metals to the US make up a miniscule fraction of Australia's total trade output – "less than 0.2 per cent of the total value of our exports," Albanese noted – so it's unlikely to have a significant impact on the overall economy.

    Who believes we should play dead ?

    I for one will avoid ANYTHING that is brought in from America.

    Trumps tariff is a spit in the face given we buy more from America.

    Anyone know what's Dutton's view on the subs ?

    I would cancel the order.
     
  2. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 1, 2003
    59,729
    Australia
    Full Name:
    John
    Yeah, I cancelled my Corvette order
     
  3. IanB

    IanB F1 World Champ
    Owner

    Jun 15, 2006
    16,174
    Sydney
    When you buy a car from the USA you pay "luxury car tax". What is it's purpose?

    Yet, when Australian Holdens were sold in the USA, no such tax was charged.

    LCT is a tariff, with a tricky name, so that we can pretend we're adhering to the free trade agreement we signed with the US.

    There are thousands of examples like this, used by hundreds of countries in order to make their imports from the US more expensive for local consumers whilst avoiding tariffs in the other direction. Trump is on a mission to clean it up.
     
    JL350, Maranello550 and Steve355F1 like this.
  4. MANDALAY

    MANDALAY F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    May 23, 2013
    14,330
    AUSTRALIA
    Full Name:
    ANGELO
    LCT is only applicable when over the threshold.

    LCT is not a tariff , If a FN BS tax. Luxury being the key word. No luxury tax on a 10 million dollar ring , house , boat or what ever only cars.

    So its here for ever until some politician commits to remove it as a election promise.

    American make cars so cars imported to them SHOULD have a tariff to protect their manufacturing , i.e the real reason for a Tariff.

    Free trade is trading with no tariffs.

    Trump is FU . clean up what ? We buy more from the States than what they buy of us.

    Do we sell them cars ? Do we buy cars of them , yes . Treating us like **** WTF should be continue especially with a spiraling price ?

    Tell me if all the Ferrari orders here or in the states would still go ahead with a 25% tariff increase ?

    We are buying their cars. See how that pans out if we get 25% tariff on that then add the LCT and stamp duty. You would be a moron to pay what the figure would be.

    Our car prices are about parr based on anything under the LCT and with AUD conversion.
     
  5. IanB

    IanB F1 World Champ
    Owner

    Jun 15, 2006
    16,174
    Sydney

    You're missing my point and swearing doesn't make your arguments stronger.

    Free trade agreements are signed in a fanfare of media, then Treasury bureaucrats immediately go to work to circumvent them. Our weasel politicians won't admit the truth, they're happy to play the victim and have punters blame Trump.

    Let me give you another example. Australia (and the UK, France, Germany, etc) pay their technology companies an "R&D incentive" to make software locally. There is no such incentive in the US. This is a reverse tariff. We get 40% of salary costs returned by the govt, then sell our software in the USA, comfortably undercutting US competitors (salaries are very similar when currency adjusted). Australian taxpayers pay $14.4Billion per year for this subsidy, which is widely abused and, in my direct experience, has done nothing to increase tech exports - our productivity is nowhere compared to the US tech industry.

    The international trading system is a gordian knot of conflicting rules and nightmare bureaucracy. The only winners are the public servants who administer the morass. Meanwhile the west is slowly sinking in a pit of declining living standards. Trump is the only politician prepared to tell the truth about bogus free trade.
     
  6. Maranello550

    Maranello550 F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Aug 25, 2011
    12,426
    HongKong
    Full Name:
    Gary
    OLIO!!!..
     
  7. kerrari

    kerrari Two Time F1 World Champ

    Oct 22, 2004
    23,985
    Coolum Beach AUSTRALIA
    Full Name:
    Karen H.
    You forget 'tariffs' are directed are directed at a country; LCT is not - it is payable on value, not origin. LCT applies whether there is a tariff applied to Australia or not (and the LCT would apply to the higher price due to the tariff - blame Trump!).
    Trump is not 'on a mission to clean it up'; he is simply lining the US government coffers with money PAID BY HIS OWN CITIZENS!
    Anyway, who wants an F150, current Corvette, Mustang or Jeep anyway! (and most of the Mustang and Jeep fall below current LCT levels anyway)
     
    MANDALAY and AndrewWA like this.
  8. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 1, 2003
    59,729
    Australia
    Full Name:
    John
    LCT is and always was BS
     
    MANDALAY and Steve355F1 like this.
  9. AndrewWA

    AndrewWA Formula Junior

    Oct 14, 2005
    969
    Chiswick, London
    Full Name:
    Andrew Stevens
    Steve - dismissing anyone who disagrees with you as a 'Lefty' is not helpful., At that rate you'll start screaming 'Fake News' shortly...

    I don't consider myself a 'lefty' - I've never voted for a left wing party in my life. I just dislike greed, corruption, nepotism and incompetence and that is not an exclusively left wing or ring wing issue.

    We all have different knowledge, perspectives and opinions and that's part of life. If you instinctively dismiss anyone else's opinions or views, then you are no better than Trump and his cohorts.

    I agree with some of your points and disagree with others, but hey ho - that's life and we are all (hopefully) grown up enough to talk about it rationally.

    Trump and his cohorts are basically running a 'pump and dump' scheme on the US economy and he and a select group of billionaires will by up stocks cheap as the market tumbles and come out of it smiling when things recover - on the backs of lots of poor and sooner to be poorer Americans and to the lesser extent the rest of us. Just look at history and how the Republican party has presided over 10 of the last 11 US recessions and who benefited. See 2020 for recent times (under Trump) and how the net worth of a select few increased dramatically.

    Now with Ukraine, if he can get Russia to the table, good on him. I seriously doubt if he can make anything happen that Putin will stick to - that's not Putin's nature unfortunately, but if there is a positive move, then that is good for most of us.

    You never know, he could go for the ultimate land deal and take over Russia and really have a lot of money and resources to play with then - much more than he could ever get out of Ukraine...
     
    DMWC likes this.
  10. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 1, 2003
    59,729
    Australia
    Full Name:
    John
    I think Putin knows that if there is a ceasefire then NATO plus some other countries will send in ground forces to sure up the perimeters and expose Russia to the full might of NATO if they start killing those ground forces, so Putin will not agree to that

    So it will be time for Trump to put his big boy pants on and sabre rattle Putin
     
    AndrewWA likes this.
  11. MANDALAY

    MANDALAY F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    May 23, 2013
    14,330
    AUSTRALIA
    Full Name:
    ANGELO

    Agree to disagree. I buy from Taiwan 5% duty. I buy from China ZERO %

    LCT is an Australian tax to get revenue.

    Tariffs are to protect local manufacture. Its being used by Trump to bully.

    No the only winner to Trumps tariffs is Trump himself. Americans will pay.
     
  12. MANDALAY

    MANDALAY F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    May 23, 2013
    14,330
    AUSTRALIA
    Full Name:
    ANGELO

    Imagine in Trump would put a Tariff of 25% on American cars ! Wow.

    Frankly don't care if he put any Tariff on Australia as I wouldn't buy it.

    I wouldn't respond with Tariffs either as no one wins in a tariff war.

    We should just look for new buyers of our goods.
     
  13. procure95

    procure95 Formula Junior

    Dec 17, 2006
    587
    PA, USA
    Full Name:
    Giovanni (John)
    who would of you liked to win? and why.
     
    PAP 348 likes this.
  14. procure95

    procure95 Formula Junior

    Dec 17, 2006
    587
    PA, USA
    Full Name:
    Giovanni (John)
    Trump is making bold actions right now but it is much needed to clear the swamp.
     
    JL350 likes this.
  15. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 1, 2003
    59,729
    Australia
    Full Name:
    John
    I'm waiting for the inevitable murder of Musk or Trump

    400+ million guns plus mentally ill people, one of them will get pissed off
     
    MANDALAY likes this.
  16. simon klein

    simon klein Two Time F1 World Champ
    Owner

    Feb 25, 2009
    29,656
    North Qld
    Full Name:
    simon klein
    Mate the food he eats will get him before anything else:
    "Synopsis
    Donald Trump continues to enjoy a diet heavy on fast food, including burgers, fried chicken, and Diet Coke. His love for these foods is part of his public persona. While he claims good health and high energy levels, medical professionals are concerned about his diet and lack of exercise affecting his stamina."
     
  17. Steve355F1

    Steve355F1 F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Aug 26, 2011
    17,127
    Adelaide, South Aust
    Full Name:
    Steve
    And Biden was in tip top shape, and sharp as a tack according to the same people...
     
    Maranello550 and JL350 like this.
  18. Steve355F1

    Steve355F1 F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Aug 26, 2011
    17,127
    Adelaide, South Aust
    Full Name:
    Steve
    The only people pissed off are far left loonies.

    You know, the same people who preach peace, love, tolerance, respect, and understanding.

    Just like the peaceful BLM riots...
     
  19. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 1, 2003
    59,729
    Australia
    Full Name:
    John
    You're as mad as a meat axe

    Who started the Ukraine war ?

    Who has sided with Russia and North Korea?

    Who ate all those pets ?

    Trump is a fwit in Putin's back pocket

    Canada is the US's enemy ?

    Europe is the US's enemy ?

    I must be living in an alternate universe
     
    MANDALAY likes this.
  20. Steve355F1

    Steve355F1 F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Aug 26, 2011
    17,127
    Adelaide, South Aust
    Full Name:
    Steve
    Well, you are in Queensland. :p

    Stop leaping to conclusions. There is a very long way to go in all of this.

    I don’t know if what Trump is doing will work or not. No one does.

    What I do know is that what was being done up until now wasn’t working.
    No real progress was being made in Ukraine or the Middle East.
    Something needed to change.

    By any measure of actual results (instead of emotions) things are no worse now than they were six months ago - in fact they are better.

    Let’s wait and see how it all pans out.
     
    Gleggy and JL350 like this.
  21. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 1, 2003
    59,729
    Australia
    Full Name:
    John
    And stop this stupid leftie crap

    This left and right **** is divisive and I got sucked into it but no more, neither the the left or right have a monopoly on good or bad ideas

    People with a brain (even some Republicans) can see Trump is a loose cannon causing grief across the world

    America wants to be isolated ? ,fine **** off and we can cancel the $700m+ for aircraft and $360B for the subs that will never turn up and the $3B for another 25 F35s

    It's not a one way street dealing with this MAGA child
     
    MANDALAY likes this.
  22. Steve355F1

    Steve355F1 F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Aug 26, 2011
    17,127
    Adelaide, South Aust
    Full Name:
    Steve
    It’s funny how on the one hand some people (note how I didn’t say “lefties”. No need. We all know who they are) endlessly bang on about how the US imposes itself on everyone as the world police and they should butt out and leave everyone alone, but as soon a democratically elected President comes along and says

    “Fine. Up to you now. Off you go” it’s all wailing and gnashing of teeth about how could they do that? Isolationism blah blah.

    Make up your mind.

    Funny how all of a sudden Europe and others have decided to step up to the plate.
    Why is that, I wonder?

    Our defence spending? Pfffft. Means nothing to the US.

    Our location on the map, however? Very important. That’s why we have their support.

    And thank God we do. Because we couldn’t defend ourselves from a nutter with a pop-gun without their help.
    Successive governments on both sides have let us down badly in that regard.
     
  23. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 1, 2003
    59,729
    Australia
    Full Name:
    John
    The "world police" were quite happy to throw the big stick around but now they want the protected to pay.

    This happened in Australia back when that prick Howard was in power.

    He held East Timor to ransom for protection until they signed over the oil fields between Australia and Timor so they did and then the military were sent

    The Ukraine situation is the same, sign over your minerals and we'll protect you

    You have to remember that Clinton encouraged Ukraine to get rid of the nearly 2000 nukes they had which has now left them exposed

    Trump can't even sabre rattle towards Putin

    The smart thing to do is keep rearming Ukraine and weaken Russia without putting any US military in harm's way and when Putin moves back NATO can strengthen the borders

    This war is about right and wrong not left/right ideology

    Our defence force is currently ranked at 18 so we're not defenceless but we should definitely aim higher

    And yes, I agree, Trump has woken up Europe to being able to pull their weight so score one for him but it is morally wrong to withdraw support for a country because you want their resources
     
  24. Steve355F1

    Steve355F1 F1 World Champ
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Aug 26, 2011
    17,127
    Adelaide, South Aust
    Full Name:
    Steve
    I don’t disagree with some of what you said, except the anti Howard BS.

    I won’t have that. If only we had another Howard, we’d be a lot better off.

    Frankly he could come back tomorrow and we’d be better off.

    The only thing he did I don’t agree with was to turbocharge the middle class welfare which is now out of control.
    That’s a controversial topic. Probably even more so than Trump.

    Again: why panic now? It’s early days. Instead of going off like a 13 year old in a massage parlour why don’t we wait and see what actually happens?

    Nothing of any significance has happened yet.

    The only difference is that some countries have been made to wake up.
     
  25. moretti

    moretti Five Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Nov 1, 2003
    59,729
    Australia
    Full Name:
    John
    I hated Howard

    And please let me be a 13yo in a brothel, better than where I am now
     

Share This Page