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  1. Marcel Massini

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    #126 Marcel Massini, Jul 25, 2024
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    What one really needs to get there is a helicopter.
    I visited the museum last week Wednesday 17th July 2024, I spent six hours there. The facility and the cars are sensational, absolutely top, also the presentation. And not just the Ferraris, all cars on display. Museum people very friendly, all very professional, really fantastic. A great experience. And yes, I will go back again.
    The only handicap I see is that the location is really in the middle of nowhere, it took us one full hour off the nearest highway/motorway exit just to get to the place (after an already six hour motorway drive). Total of seven hours from Zurich, Switzerland, to the museum. Accomodation (hotel) is a serious problem, the nearest (at last halfway acceptable) "hotel" (sort of) was 45 mins north of the museum.
    I fully understand history and background of Ewersbach and WHY Professor Loh, the founder of The Loh Collection, had the museum built in the little village of Ewersbach but I do wish this wonderful first class automobile facility had been built near some major city (Frankfurt?) and not in the heart of the German pampa. At the same time a proper hotel nearby could have been built as well. After all, once you have spent one billion for classic cars in 30 years you can easily spend another 30 million for a hotel.
    During my visit the visitor car park was packed, really a lot of visitors, it seems there's a lot of interest and that's good.
    The founder really must be congratulated for assembling, presenting and making available to the regular public such a fascinating collection.

    Now, let me go back to the helipad, my chopper is waiting.

    Marcel Massini
     
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  2. Birel

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    I appreciate the clarification.
     
  3. redfred84

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    I was just there the Wednesday after you! It was phenomenal!!!!
     
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  4. Terra

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    #129 Terra, Jul 28, 2024
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    CORRECTION:
    I meant to type 1807GT (not 1811GT). And the three-way motor swap happened in recent years (i.e. many, many years after our company, Symbolic Motors, had 1953GT). And at the end of all the swapping around, I’m not entirely sure what motor is now actually fitted into 1807GT . . .
     
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  5. ursoenzo

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  6. trmather

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    Does anyone know the chassis number of the F2004?

    Or the one hanging on the wall (is it an F2005?)
     
  7. Deemeyere Wim

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    F2004 is 239
     
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  8. ursoenzo

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    somebody has put some parts together that it looks like an F1 car
    you cannot tell the year of the car, as a lot is incorrect
     
  9. bigodino

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  10. bertdeboer340

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    Peter, I have it as 14455
     
  11. Marcel Massini

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    #138 Marcel Massini, Nov 15, 2024
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    Here's 14455 in Monterey, CA/USA, as U.S. version on 17 August 2013.
    FWIW 14455 was born in Argento 2.443.009 with Beige interior and as an Euro version for the Italian market, delivered new to thru dealer Parauto Srl in Genova to first owner Mr. B. in Imperia, Italy. Later to Switzerland, to Germany, to Canada, to USA.

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  12. bigodino

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    The Loh car is a bit different, but could be the result of a restoration (mainly: US spec side markers removed, mirror moved back, interior different colour). Not impossible, but can anyone confirm?
     
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  14. Marcel Massini

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    Thank you Bert.
    I made a mistake and posted a photo of the wrong black 365 GTC/4 in my post 138. Mea Culpa.
    In Monterey August 2013 RM Sotheby's offered two black 365 GTC/4's. Not just one.
    My photo in post 138 shows chassis number 15635.
    Here are the photos I took in Monterey, same day, same location, showing chassis number 14455.
    Once again my apologies for the confusion.

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  15. NunoRosso

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    The Nationales Automuseum will display a new exhibition called "Grand Prix - Icons of the Premier Class of Motorsport".

    Regarding Scuderia Ferrari, one will be able to admire Schumacher's F2004, Lauda's 312B3-74 or Raikkonen's F2007. There's also an SF Alfa Romeo P3 and a 16C Bimotore.

    Let's not forget the maidan Monaco GP winner Bugatti 35B, Fangio's '57 Maserati 250F or Senna's McLaren MP4/5. And of course, two Silver Arrows (a Mercedes-Benz W154 and a Auto-Union Type-D). This list is by no means exhaustive as there are many more jewels on display. The exhibition will open April 12th, 2025.

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  16. NunoRosso

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    By the way, any Fchatters more knowledgeable than I know the serial numbers of the P3 and the W165?
     
  17. Wi11am

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    The P3 is B50005 and the Mercedes-Benz is a W154 and chassis 9.
     
  18. NunoRosso

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    Thank you very much. So the P3 is the 1935 German GP winner, formerly Jon Shirley's.
    My apologies, I meant W154 but my fingers slipped and now it's too late to edit :oops:
     
  19. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    When #50005 was here in New Zealand, Ron Roycroft wrote Luigi Fusi and he stated that as far as Alfa Romeo's files could prove #50005 was the winner, but that offered no certainties and it could possibly have been any of the three works IFS Tipo B used in 1935, although it was more likely #50005 since Alfa Romeo sold it to the UK in 1937 as the winner. All of this was well covered in Christies Monaco 1989 auction catalog.

    As for the W154, Colin Crabbe gives a great summary of its condition in his excellent book "Thrill of the Chase". It is the worst of the three W154s in private hands. It had a great history through several Indy 500 attempts through the 1950s but during this era lost its coachwork, had a Jaguar XK engine fitted and was a mere rolling chassis when sold to Crabbe in the late 1960s. Crabbe removed the rear suspension as it fitted his W125 and used its wheels since they were also the same spec. The remains ended up with Paul Foulkes-Halbard who began a very long restoration and sold it to Neil Corner before much had been achieved. Corner had the car finished and used before it and his Auto-Union D-Type were sold to Korea and then to Loh!
     
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  20. merstheman

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    Colin Crabbe died a few days ago. Didn't see much about it here...
     
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  21. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Crabbe was a great man who lived life to the full and touched many, many of the greatest cars we love today, Ferraris, Mercedes and more. RIP.
     
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  22. Damien Duigan

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    There's an M23 McLaren (M23/10 renumbered to M23/8-2) in the photo that looks to be Hunt's Championship winner previously in Bernie's collection, would explain why it wasn't included in Tom Hartley's presentation.

    Cheers, Damien
     
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  23. ursoenzo

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    BE has not sold all F1 cars
    some of them go to his young son Ace
    rumors say including W196 ....
     
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