296 VS

The batteries for the hybrid exotics have NOT gone down in price.

 

The batteries for the 296 & SF90 are still under warranty (7 years in the USA). There are no prices yet. The costs will go down over time or the performance will increase for similar money (which is another form of lowering cost).

 

It’s been a decade for the holy trinity. The prices haven’t gone down.

 

The trinity cars were made in very small numbers, therefore costs remain higher.

Costs will decline in regular production models. And this will be over time. The batteries are likely to last a long time- the warranty is 7 years. It might be 8- 10 years before anyone has to pay for their first battery (the 2nd replacement?). By then there is a high likelihood the technology will be better and or the price lower. It will be a long time before anyone is paying for their second battery (3rd replacement?)- which would be an eternity for technology.

 

The prices Will not go down for the SF90, not 296, nor any of this crap. They haven’t gone down for any normal hybrid either, let alone an exotic.

 

There is a seven year warranty in the USA. Therefore it’s too soon to be judging the direction of pricing as all the batteries are under warranty.

Technology in phones and computers decrease in price through ever increasing performance for the same or similar money. In that way cost declines. I would expect the same to occur here. And if they continue to use the older technology costs naturally decrease- just look to computer chips as an example.

Bottom line- it’s too soon to judge.

 

Porsche has the Taycan which is getting killed and they’ve shifted their focus to a hydrogen based ICE versus hybridization so they can keep their ICE intact.

 

You are missing my point. Porsche still understands the market that there are people that want N/A cars , even manuals and builds them.

 

I also own a Taycan. Not sure what you are saying. Everything I have read shows that Porsche is committed to electrification. Link to hydrogen Porsche- please?

 

I understand and own two NA manual Porsches. And the manuals are a minority of their sales- in other words it’s a niche market. Porsche has been making hybrids for a long time and recently introduced their hybrid 911. None are as advanced as Ferraris.

 

With hybrid La Ferrari since first production of 2013, it was always going to happen . We have two hybrid cars in the range now last year 51% of production was Hybrid and now the F80 . One the track we have F1 and Le Mans 499P .

They are still sponsored by fuel companies , Shell, and they have to have Pirelli.

whether you like it or not hybrid is here to stay , or you can keep buying 488 and before.

They will sellout of VS , those that own 296 do not want to go back , it is as simple as that

 

Let’s face it in terms of track / sports Porsche have the 911 and ????????? . They just keep trying to tweak it and it is an entry price for sports cars compared to exotics

 

The battery price of a 296 is £18k: https://www.eurospares.co.uk/Ferrari/296/296_GTB/PartDiagrams/0176/BATTERIES?ref=001

That’s before labour price. This site is pretty accurate, I had to buy a wing mirror and prices are in line from here.

1.5x the price of my Tesla battery which has 10x the capacity.

 

That’s helpful. What’s the original Ferrari factory warranty on the battery (that comes with the car) in the UK?

Now we have a starting point (in the UK).

The price does not alarm me relative to the cost of the car.

Has anyone had their battery replaced yet under warranty?

Note: In the USA my cost per year for an extended factory warranty on the entire 296 including battery is only $3,400 per year.

 

A 296 is not 500 pounds heavier than a Pista. Try half that.

Agree the slower car can be better on track, but I don’t think the Pista is a good track car, certainly not stock.

Speciale and Pista is a fantastic combo, I love that, post pics.

 

I'll tell you something, this has been seriously considered because the engine of the 296 Challenge already exists and has been developed. This was refused for fear of overshadowing the hybrid and breaking the business model that goes with it. Nevertheless, an ultra limited series on a Challenge base would be a good thing, in addition to the VS( for the masses )

 

No. It's a business model for Ferrari, because they start from the premise that for the base customer, only the power numbers count, and I can't argue with them on this point, it's the reality. The Ferrari clientele, unlike that of Porsche, does not have the same skills behind the wheel, and the ability to appreciate a weight/power ratio, more than raw figures. This forum is not representative of the global clientele, we must be in the 10% here...

 

The objective on the contrary is to increase the price of all spare parts, including the battery. Ferrari is not here to please enthusiasts, but to increase the value of RACE.

 

Impossible to argue this point. All the “pleasing of enthusiasts” can only exist insofar as it increases the value of RACE. I don’t think that’s a bad thing, though, or doesn’t have to be. In my companies, decisions often may not aid my profit in the short term but create long term value for my company.

 

7 years from now even further from the truth and you can buy extended warranty.
Battery can be repaired no need for replacement - there are "Tesla" like shops - battery can be repaired in 2 hours. Franchises are popping up.

To think the functionality of the battery is an issue - is wrong. You will spend more on maintaining an engine than battery. Drive SF90 296 often in battery mode - very cool option.

Ferrari way ahead and we know purists die over anything and everything. Being ahead has paid off for Ferrari - purist in their mind / don't buy new and figure out a way to get the most out of their ownership.

Put something up against the XX and soon VS. Ordered a GT3RS with Matheny pkg - likely the final version and Porsche is having finance problems not Ferrari - it's the brand not the battery - proven.
SF80 sold out while Mac Aston who knows and Porsche can't figure out what to build as a Halo car.

 

The discussion is about battery prices. They haven’t gone down for an early 2000’s Prius and they won’t go down for a modern Ferrari. It’s not too early to tell like our friend thinks. Time has told greedflation has revealed. Hybrid Battery prices were and are exorbitant.

 

I don't think this is the reason. Certainly not the only reason. They know their market.

 

Is this true of the GT3? Does anyone know the numbers?

Around here (northeast USA) I see almost exclusively manuals in GT3s.

 

In 2021, the previous gen GT3 manual take rate in the US was a staggering 70%. Confirmed by Porsche to Bloomberg.

These guys talk but just make stuff up

Enthusiast car in the right market


EDIT: I am going to throw in some other models and more recent numbers since I already provided the GT3.

2023:
BMW M2: 50%
718/911: 40%
MX-5 Miata: 50%
CT4-V/CT4-V Blackwing - 50%
Subaru BRZ: 79%
WRX: 74%

 

Why do you say that - I know battery shops that repair for under 1000.00
I don't think you understand how a battery cell can be repaired -
When warranty runs out - plenty of places will do exchange or repair - there is nothing special about a Ferrari battery - nothing,
You are making a VS SF90 prediction that is not true today and won't be almost a decade from now.