296 VS

The 296 really surprised me. Sounds great. Drives amazing. Not sure what I should have been expecting but I was really impressed with the one I test drove. Spectacular car. And why hate on hybrids? Electric motors fill gaps gas motors can’t. Get the best of both! Is it a religious thing because the engineering is hard to argue with and the tech gets better and better.

 

We’re talking future prices of Ferrari hybrid batteries. It’s exactly the same. No difference in any way.

Battery replacement is an issue for any and all hybrids. Period.

Your state is going to enforce the price of a replacement Ferrari battery? Please share a link.

Yes. It will be harder to maintain Hybrid exotic cars. There will be less if any independents that can work on these cars. Maybe you think you’ll drive down to a Batteries Plus store and put your 296 up on the rack and Tommy will pop a new hybrid battery right in while you wait.

Yes, talked to brokers who maintain and sell them. Is there a point to your Dino tale? It certainly doesn’t relate to the discussion of the future price of replacement Ferrari hybrid batteries.

So the dealer won’t be able to work on your Hybrid Ferrari but an independent battery mechanic will. Ok.

The subject is future Ferrari hybrid battery replacement cost.


Issues, maybe not specifically engine however certainly issues with electronics. SF90 owners and resale prices say so. 296 owners and the many cars being dumped say so.

You’re spewing more fiction up in this thread than a Jules Verne novel.

 

I am surprised most are only concerned about battery life.
I bet battery would out live engine’s refresh cycle.
Now a days, engine internals are so prone to heat damage given GPF and Direct injection carbon build and whatever we put into for euro 6 or whatever ready.

Battery refresh is easy job.

296 gtb or gts’s shortcomming is from the placement of battery and the weight of it.
Middle point weight is not a good sign and it inherently has potential to spin easier than those without.

I can clearly see the differences from 488 and F8 to 268 in terms of spin tendency when pushed hard without nanny.

 

That I do not know.

 

The 296 may be easier to spin just because of the significant power difference.

 

Chris Harris mentioned this in his review of the 296. Among other things, he said it’s not about catching a slide, but it’s about how you unwind the steering after you’ve caught it. He said its can be very tricky and he would leave some level of assist on. In my own words, I find the 296 to be a blast, but a little less “trustworthy” to push real hard on the road vs my Pista.

 

both are tricky with TC off imo but the 296 is especially nuts, I often wonder what would have happened if Ferrari delivered the 296 without TC and how many would have been written off!

 

I agree with this, 296 is more playful but less confidence inspiring than the 765.

 

296 VS competitor will be the upcoming GT2 RS, not the 3RS.

 

You and I are not alike. Context is not your thing.

 

Agreed, and that's fine. But also, thank god.

 

Never deleting this app lmao

 

Hybrid cars are a double consequence, on the one hand the regulations, and on the other hand the possibility of easily increasing the power figures.
Ferrari knows 2 things, the first is that its customers are not drivers (unlike GT3/gt3rs buyers) and second that they need huge power figures that they will never use properly. So you have before you, in their defense, the products that correspond to this double demand.
Of course it would have been possible to make a hybrid NA without turbo, more natural and playful, or a mountain bike without hybrid... but the customers as explained above would have found that it lacks power. So, in the end, with the 296, you have a perfect engineer's car that represents what is internally called "a consumer car". To each his own tastes, his choices, everything being respectable, but you have to know how to call a cat... "a cat" and not to tell yourself a story.

 

Hybrid does have some actual advantages in terms of powertrain efficiency - but it's very difficult to assess because at the same time it's heavily pushed by regulations (so it's never been a real engineering choice).
Turbocharging on the other hand (although also pushed by regulations for road cars) is actually superior to NA in terms of efficiency and performance; when both were allowed in F1 eventually all would end up choosing turbocharging even with a displacement halved (1.5L vs 3.0L) and the return to NA engines was only possible with the ban of turbocharging.

 

Quite cynical. You act like the 488 or F8 was this revelatory experience. It could be just that the hybrid solution creates a better driving experience with today's tech. Certainly far superior to previous generation Ferrari's. And I use all the power often. It's not difficult to explore in the 296. It's not a Chiron.

 

Hybrid technology is here and now in real time. Pushing back against this reality is wasted time and energy. Don’t like hybrids? Don’t buy. As a first time potential Ferrari client, I was offered a 296 allocation from two different stores a year ago. Whatever the motivation was for those offers, it doesn’t decrease from knowing how special this experience is. Just my opinion of course.

 

To me the 296 is superior to the 488 and F8, but the rhetorical question is, without the constraints of regulations, would the same or a better result be achieved by another way (than using hybrid) ?

 

Electrification is hard to match from a results standpoint. It's just emotionless (beyond the physical sensation). Hybrid is sort of best of both worlds for me. I don't mind it one bit.

 

This won't be the issue, at least not for guys like Harris. On the rare occasions when they spin, it will tend to be on entry or a mistake at exit like putting a wheel on the grass. Wheelspin is pretty easy to control with your right foot, particularly cars like these that give good feedback and have excellent throttle response.

What's hard for anyone to control is when you start to lose it at entry because you've carried a bit too much speed in. If the back starts to come around, you have to shed speed without shifting weight off the rear wheels. Hard to do the former quickly without causing the latter. Some cars will be easier to catch with smaller adjustments - longer wheelbase, less mass around the moment of inertia, less mass behind the rear axle, those things all help.

But, I don't think the 296 setup is a flaw. It's also what endows it with its more go kart like feel. So enjoy it for what it is, just know it needs a little extra respect at corner entry.

 

Precisely the right question. Equally applicable to all manner of modern racing, which is why I don't find the racing credentials of the hybrid V6 setup particularly compelling. Not that it's a bad setup, on the contrary, it's a very good setup. But its selection for racing applications is heavily - if not entirely - influenced by the regulations.

Hybrids came to be in the search for efficiency, not performance. Of course, penicillin was an accident. Doesn't make it any less good.

 

For me, it depends on my mood. Sometimes I love hybrids because they're just so good. Particularly if the alternative is turbo lag. Sometimes, I find them too clinical - they're so good that they feel inorganic. They don't reward you for keeping the revs in the right range, which makes them a bit less engaging.

That's why I think the answer is to enjoy both. And I think Ferrari knows that and will continue to offer both as long as the regulations allow. I think they deserve credit for that.

 

I agree but Mac turbo 1.7-psi boost is not smooth - think it's also important to note AF or std.
AF 296 suspension upgrades the handing significantly - much less body roll and added aero.
XX now offered with a lifter in non multi magic form - Ferrri states it matches the multi matic performance - expect same for VS.

 

To me this discussion was based off my opinion that I love the 296. That wasn’t the question. Nor was if hybrids are bad or good. It’s specifically about long term care of a Ferrari hybrid.

 

This is a very good post. On the flip side of this, you have a Porsche GT car, where if it’s off the track, the gearing is so long that often times it’s hard to get enjoyment out of it.

It’s good to have options. there’s a tool for everything!

I’m over Porsches though, I’ll tell you that much. Again, just my opinion please don’t get mad at me guys

 

The more complex it is, the more the risk of failures increases, and in the case of hybridization, the system is much more expensive than that of the McLaren Artura, where you can change each module separately. If you search on Eurospare, you will find that the price of the complete hybrid unit is about 110 k€. To this will be added the price of carbon ceramics because the car is heavy, and the potential problems of turbo, haptics, and electronics. Which in the end makes it after 10 years of ownership an unsellable car if you put into perspective the maintenance cost versus the value of the car. The market has understood this, and is abandoning hybrids (just look at the price of an SF 90 or a 296)...