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355 Tubi Exhaust and modified Bosch M2.7 injection system?

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  1. jlucioxim

    jlucioxim Rookie

    Nov 26, 2023
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    Hi!

    I have a 1995 F355 GTS and it has a Tubi exhaust and doesn’t have the exhaust valve anymore. As I don’t have any warning light from the injection system it means my M2.7 was modified at least to eliminate that valve?

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    Thanks,

    José Lúcio
     
  2. Timmo

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    Why do you think you should get a warning? The ECU will not care if the valve is present or not.
     
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  3. Qavion

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    As far as I know, only the items marked with an "S" will generate a fault light (CEL) on the 2.7 car.

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  4. Mitch Alsup

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    Modern systems tend to throw a code at any controlled device that does not operate as designed--anti-tampering...

    Oh Wait ! {{keyword: modern}}
     
  5. jlucioxim

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    Ok, thank you!

    So, not necessary my ECU has any modification... The question was why I'm sure the engine is running rich but the lambda probes are there and I don't have any error in the system. So I was wondering if the system was modified and lambda signals are in fact being taking in account by the ECUs.

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  6. Timmo

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    Running the engine either with the valve open or deleted under conditions where the valve should be closed causes unmetered air to flow through the central piping rather than in the lateral piping where the two lambda sensors are located, thus cause the engine to run richer.
    I have done the test several times and my conclusion is that deleting the valve or blocking it open is a no.
     
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  7. Qavion

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    When did you discover your engine was running rich? If you disconnected your battery to work on the relay panel (for your Check Engine Light not working issue), you would have erased all faults from the ECUs' memories. ref: https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/posts/150055052/
    Also, you discovered some corrosion on your RH ECU wiring harness plug (41051). Maybe that was doing something strange to your engine management system. Those corroded pins control power to a lot of components.

    Maybe do an ECU re-learn after you fix up your relay panel?

    (EDIT: of course, it could be due to what @Timmo was talking about).
     
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  8. jlucioxim

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    But the burned gas going through the central piping and the lateral piping wouldn't have the same O2 concentration and the lambda sensors wouldn't provide the same signal for ECUs regardless valve open or closed?

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  9. Timmo

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    With a twin flow muffler (e.g. Tubi Evolution, Capristo) outside "fresh" air is drawn in and flows upwards the cats though the lateral piping, and the resulting highest O2 concentration will be picked up as a lean running condition by the lambda sensors and the ECU will instruct enriching the mixture, again under steady state running conditions where closed loop fueling is active AND if the valve is blocked open or has been deleted.
    When the valve is still present and works as intended the fueling switches to open loop when the ECU instructs the opening of the valve and what the lambda sensors then pick up is not used by the ECU, at least not to adjust mixture.

    With a single flow muffler (e.g. stock, Tubi R) which causes the known exhaust flow loop to occur I am not sure if any or to which extent outside air is drawn in, but it is not hard to imagine that this may also affect normal closed loop fueling.
     
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  10. jlucioxim

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    Hi!
    Some years before remove those relays with that problem in the relay panel I've already read the ECU codes and there was no error. Once while driving something happened and I have one temporary warning, I read codes again, it was a rpm sensor. I cleaned it and I never had some warning from the ECUs again. But it doesn't mean I didn't have injection/ignition problems. In fact I had several issues with ignition module, a spark plug cable, misfiring ecc. But all those didn't bring me any warning light or error in the ECUs memory. To solve those problems I have checked sparks plugs many times and I could see they always show rich mixture. And after to solve those issues and the engine running well it's easy to notice in idle with hot engine the mixture is rich. When the engine is cold I don't consider it because the lambda signal is not taken in account. But that feature persists in the regular running.

    Taking advantage of the opportunity, do you have any of the others electrical schematics rebuilt (figure 4, 5, 6 and 7)? I had ABS problems too to solve...

    Many thanks,

    José Lúcio
     
  11. Qavion

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  12. INTMD8

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    Well you have no secondary cats or bypass valve. You may or may not have primary cats.

    If you're "sure" it's running rich because your exhaust smells like fuel, that's unburned hydrocarbons due to the absence of catalytic converters and rather high overlap oem cams.
     
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  13. jlucioxim

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    Thank you very much for all information. I'll study more about that F355 exhasust system. My fear was that the ECUs had modifications to not consider lambda sensors, run richer and to know about that I would inevitably need a SD-1 tool to check it. And for your experience that feature can happen with regular ECUs. So I will forget it a while and concentrate now to have some fun after repairing the fuse relay box and to solve the ABS error.

    Many thaks,

    José Lúcio
     

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