430 Scuderia Exhaust Manifold Debate

So stainless steel is generally garbage?
Or just the type of stainless that was used by Ferrari - if so which type was used exactly and why is that type garbage (opposed to other types of stainless)?

How is weight a valid argument for your claim that the OEM exhaust is garbage in "terms of material"? All materials commonly used for exhausts have a density of roughly 8kg/dm^3.

There is a moderately well known issue with how the exhaust is mounted on the 430, which is suspected to lead to TMF failures. Other than that I'm not aware of any fact-based issues with the OEM exhaust.

 

20 peak HP
Power dips
etc. etc.
make me LOL.
There is no one here that can tell 20HP on a 500HP car.
It's all in your heads.

 

I do agree. But losing the pre-cats will gain some power, even more so with a tune to the leaner side.

 

fabspeed with inconel heat shielding
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larini on the scud with larini 200 cats and s line valved exhaust. Sounds awesome.
I have capristo headers with cap 200 and kline muffler and that sounds awesome too.
The larini headers sure are pretty


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i dont unfortunately

 

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Coming from the hot-rodding world the Ferrari tax on (simple) exhaust components is just staggering to me

 

But I guess that is also why a normal solenoid is $65 but a Ferrari one is $1000
<shrug>

 

The Ferrari tax is real! Having owned everything from American muscle to European exotics, I can tell you there’s a major difference in costs—not just in the price of the car, but also in parts and servicing. Fortunately, our aftermarket parts are a fraction of the cost of OEM Ferrari parts, and they actually offer superior performance and reliability.

Take the F430 headers, for example. The OEM headers are prone to failure due to the mini cat integrated into the design. We’ve seen it firsthand with customers experiencing manifold failures, and the real concern is that this can lead to significant engine damage. Our headers not only improve sound and performance but also remove the mini cat, eliminating the risk of manifold failure altogether. Think of it as not just an exhaust upgrade, but a smart preventive measure to protect your engine.

 

Hey @Marco91 any chance Fiammenghi (Italy based) could use your OEM Scuderia headers to measure once they’re off the car? Your post profile says Location: Italy so I thought it might be worth a shot

 

I'm actually a friend of Fabio, if you want I can drop him a Whatsapp with this request - not sure what's left inside my headers as they're 80.000km old lol

A few days ago I've collected my Scud with the full inconel Kline Innovation exhaust and it's just UNBELIEVABLE, will make a separated thread with some pics and clips once I have all the content ready to publish.

 

That would be amazing! Yes! I think he really just needs to confirm where the secondary air rails need to go and a set of well used units would be just fine.
80K km is impressive. Much respect! If there’s any shipping or transport costs please let me know I’m happy to cover or buy a thank-you-meal.
Best,
Henry

 

Did you have to have those sent away to them?

 

One of the first mods I did to the Scud was change the OE manifolds to Capristo manifolds because I wanted to preserve the OE manifolds immediately. Stock cats, stock muffler. Ran this for a couple thousand of miles. There is noticeable power gains in low to mid. Less felt on high.i would say about 20 hp. It’s not life changing, but it is noticeable.

Added X pipe Kline Inconel and 100 cell cats later. More power added. Really felt it. More so than the just the headers. Scud became an adequately quick car.


When I first got the Scud, my impression was it could use a lil more power. After the exhaust mods, my impression is “why would anyone need any more power than this for a road going car? I could barely use all the power. A Speciale is unnecessary.”


*stock ecu. No tune.

 

I assume that is the weight of a Kline header naked (no shielding)?

 

Kline still offers products without shielding and they used to not have any shields at all. The weight quotes on the site haven’t changed, so I would assume it is quoted naked.


For whatever reason, there was a big weight difference between Tubi Inconel vs Tubi SS manifolds.