296 VS

the V6 hybrid setup in the special vehicles is unlikely to go away any time soon. The halo F80 at $3M a pop has one those. Or is it $4M?

 

Well that would mean more allocations later to the dealers?
If so - XX on order and still not accepted to the factory. the VS would make me question the car further.
Maybe sell 296Spider, appears no VS Spider only coupe allocation and little desire for another coupe. The SF90 "M" is also on its way likely fall - the 3rd SF90 guessing 1100 hp and a big price increase. The myth of owning more Ferrari's moves you up in special allocations is just not true.

 

That's an estimate, but at least as many cars will be built as the Pista and Pista Spider were back then. If you look at the number of cars built in recent years, it has also been increasing, not decreasing.

The price of the SF90 M will certainly rise significantly, but the sound will continue to suffer even more. SF90 M will have a maximum of 1050 hp because otherwise it will be too close to the F80 hypercar. Which will remain for the next 10 years, - unfortunately because it is a catastrophic successor. It is inexplicable how they can put a V12 engine in an SUV and then such a hairdryer in a hypercar. It's a strange feeling that a Purosangue is significantly louder than a 4 million car. The right concept would have been a 1050 hp V12 combustion engine and 300 hp Kers and a production run of 499. The concept will continue to work till people realise that the real last Ferraris are a Competizione and SP3 and XX and for sure all previous limited edition models.

Or Ferrari changes its plans again and goes for a different strategy like a few years ago.

 

You were allocated a XX, but failed to receive a 296VS Spider?

 

Ferrari just announced and patented a new V12 more compact - for performance the F80 made the right decision. This is a replay of the Jaguar XJ220 imo,
Had a Purosangue - V12 was de tuned, not sure why other than to sell the next gen.
Roma V8 Spider just sold sounded great as does 296GTS.

 

From my understanding, unless something changes - yes

 

I think that 296VS numbers (at least for the spider) may be a bit lower than people are guessing as I had a 296GTS, currently have an SF90XX coupe — among other Ferraris, and did not qualify for the VS spider. In any case, I’m excited about the 296VS coupe — only about 5 weeks til the online reveal! It’s my understanding that the 296 VS will be shown in person at the Ferrari racing days in Miami in mid-May for those of us in North America.

 

All these talks of "did not qualify" are highly hypothetical IMHO.
For me it rather means that Ferrari does not want to give a guarantee of allocation since their aim is to prioritize new customers; it does not mean that eventually it will be impossible to get one.

 

No, none of that is true. Drive an 812 Competizione and listen to the sound of the Pista compared to the 296 and then you'll know what I mean. F80 is far too weak, the performance is far away for it to stay for the next 10 years at the top.

New V12 engine should be suitable for hybrid. This means a lot of electric support, i.e. even more weight.

 

We never know exactly what the future holds, but my dealer told me that all the cars he got allocated have already been attributed to customers , and when asked if there could be more allocated in the future, he said it’s possible but unlikely because the 296 successor production is already planned, so in order for Ferrari to produce more 296 cars, the production of the successor would have to be delayed. And they’re not going to voluntarily delay it, so unless there are technical issues with the 296 successor development that would force Ferrari to delay the production start, the number of 296 VS cars they can produce until the 296 successor production starts is pretty much fixed give or take 100-200 cars. ( it seems that depends on the configurations , some configurations and paint schemes take longer production time , so if many customers choose fast to produce configurations, then there might be time left to produce a few more cars ).
That is summarised how it was explained to me.
So my guess is that if you haven’t been contacted by your dealer yet, your only chance to get one would be if someone cancels.

 

It’s not a collector car, it’s a supercar with hyper car performance that’s comfortable, beautiful and sounds good. Not perfect. Haptics are a miss/ mess. Net, net at used values- there is probably nothing better as a road car which is why I am buying one now. Will it depreciate further? Probably.

Pro tip… It’s not an investment.
Pro tip 2.. 911’s are collectible- maybe more than any other model ever- with 6 cylinders (turbo or not).

 

Well I IMO you need to relook at your over arching assumption .

F 80 sold out , 296 VS fully allocated .

Once driven you , more than a test drive ,will understand why the above has occurred

 

It's my opinion.
Don't care about stock sounds - easy upgrade, care about drivers cars, that's all.
F80 Ferrari imo built the right car - no longer a question it's' a fact decided by Ferrari.Of course something will be faster sooner than 10 years, let's see how it performs before judging by sound.
Yes, new V12 suitable for hybrid that's why they built it - you just figured out that's where every worldwide exotic factory is going - next gen needs to be faster in order to sell cars.
Ferrari has the Monza - no need to compete with themselves.
Personally prefer GTS over Comp - it's the perfect GT.
The ole days are gone - let it go or go buy the ones that you crave, plenty to go buy,

 

Please define who is a pure enthusiast.

 

Demand seems to indicate the opposite.

 

A Carnivore

 

Cavallinos don't eat meat.

 

Not much to see or hear in this clip but it’s something

He notes it’s not the final design fwiw.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHid9BtqXGe/?igsh=ZmoxcDhtazF1Nmp1

 

The ride height looks much better.

 

Exactly, nobody seems to consider driving these cars as an important element, I would say it is the MOST important part.

Disparaging a F80 hypercar with 1200 HP and 1000kg of downforce built off the back of a two times Le Mans winner because it doesn't sound good is just idiotic IMO LOL

The car will be epic and I can not wait to jump behind the wheel.

 

I have no dog in the hunt here having never seen an F80 in person let alone driven one.

I think it OK for people to have at it both good and bad. We are not insulting the owner. Many of us want to hear the facts- good or bad on cars we don’t know and or may never know. If I only heard positives and then bought the car I would be a little annoyed not having heard the negatives. Rarely has this happened- and it has happened to me.

Cars elicit an emotional responses, not all positive. I think it’s OK to share all of these emotions. We are enthusiasts after all.

And- Maybe I’m wrong. LOL

 

I feel like the whole "driving" aspect of performance cars *is* largely irrelevent now unless you're on track, they've become unusably fast imo and point to point pace on most roads I feel more limited by how suicidal I am feeling more so than the limits of the car

 

Often take long drives with very good drivers - early am windy hills.
Track day sessions, destroy street car if pushed. Last place a pedestrian car an d driver belongs - it's fun but very few guys push their cars on track to limit - idea on track is to achieve times standing on. brakes / WOT - almost spin to achieve fastest time.
Firm believer in HANS minimal on track - be careful take lessons and have car inspected before pushing it. Don't push a car if you aren't confident - my .02

 

I disagree, speed isn’t the only thrilling factor in a modern car, they aren’t just one trick ponies, there is so much more to the experience, limiting the car’s ability to speed only is really a disservice to the engineering implementation in some of these cars, speed is cheap and easily attainable in today’s world, how about braking, handling, steering feel, sound, emotion, etc. etc.?

I enjoy all my cars on the street in all conditions, also on the track but mostly on the street because street cars aren’t really suited for the track, you don’t have to drive at insane speeds in order to get joy out of the experience, try doing a very tight road hill climb in a car which handles and brakes extremely well to see how enjoyable that feels when you manage to execute it perfectly, a tone of fun a very low speed, as a matter of fact I have very little interest in going fast in a straight line, where is the fun in that?

 

I don’t think you are wrong, if you want to hear facts you must talk to someone with first hand experience with said object or try to experience things for yourself before you make a decision on how you feel.

I understand emotional reactions and subjective feelings, everyone is entitled to voice their opinion and everyone deserves to be heard however wrong they may be but one can not argue facts using feelings, yes you can say it isn’t visually attractive to you or you don’t like the way it sounds or the image it may portray but disparaging something without first hand experiences and testing the product for its intended design and use case its really juvenile behaviour to me anyway.

Give the keys to your Ferrari to someone to take it for a drive and if they return it to you and tell you the experience was garbage than I will accept that opinion as fact, I’d love to let the biggest F80 hater out there drive one and tell me it’s garbage LOL