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  1. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Ferrari technical staff reviewing the MCL39.

     
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    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    FIA reviewing Leclercs front wing.

     
  3. SPEEDCORE

    SPEEDCORE Four Time F1 World Champ

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    The camera man looking at them and the Ferrari guy at the back looking embarrassed lololol :D:D:D
     
  4. DGS

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    Historically, on the "cool down lap", the cars try to pick up as many marbles from the track as they can --- to make sure the car is not underweight. ;)

    Are they now measuring with the wheels off?
    (From the weigh station, it doesn't seem so.)

    Maybe Chuck was just too depressed to remember to pick up his marbles before going home. :D
     
  5. DGS

    DGS Six Time F1 World Champ
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    I seem to remember RB saying, when picking a new #2, that they wanted to make sure it'd be a driver that wouldn't challenge Max.

    Maybe they saw how many times Chuck screwed up, last year, because he was more focused on passing Sainz than passing the competition.
    I expect 2025 to be a string of Chuck and Ham banging wheels.
    (While others fade off in the distance.)

    I'm still impressed by Singapore, when Sainz and Norris -- even on different teams -- worked together to keep the Mercs with fresher tires behind them.
    That racing teamwork. Something missing from Ferrari for quite some time.
     
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  6. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Switch-back overtake doesn't get better than this

     
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  7. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Art.
     
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  8. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    "Copied" from another multi-WDC title holder? Or was instinctive by both multi-WDC title holders?
     
  9. itschris

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    It's funny but not surprising how some rules are just flat out black and white... like what Ferrari experienced... yet others they have to think about for half a season or more. Did a millimeter or two of the Hamilton's skid block make any difference at all? Did he gain a 1000th somewhere? I don't know. But I think about things like Merc's DAS, and multiple teams with flex wings, mini-DRS, and a host of other things that clearly meant to circumvent rules and do eve, yet no action is taken or it's taken after the benefit to that team for a few races. Makes no sense to me. I'm not a Hamilton fan... and I've come to sort of not be a fan of Charles either, but they seem to have been done a bit wrong when you put all the many infractions into perspective. Perhaps a time penalty would be more appropriate with the minor and obvious issues that they both incurred.
     
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  10. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Apparently, Lewis wanted a different setup after his Sprint race and Ferrari complied....sort of.

    Leclerc's car didn't require a different setup since he was somewhat happy with it after the Sprint Race.

    Both drivers with different DSQ criteria. The Race was obviously a tire management race of which both drivers failed to manage their tires and quite possibly the pit wall telling their drivers what they wanted from each driver on a per lap basis hence why Max and his pit wall were patient with their tire management strategy and pounced with 20 laps to go in the race.

    Everyone at Ferrari still have alot to learn about tire management for a 1 or 2 stop strategy.....but it would've been all for not.
     
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  11. HotShoe

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    I agree in general but the reason Ferrari got popped is because the rules they broke had hard, measurable parameters. You are either within the accepted limits or not. It’s really black and white.

    The other “cheats” you mentioned fall more into a grey area that aren’t as easily quantified in precise measurements.

    All just part of the game.
     
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    Mercedes screwed up last year with George on the weight issue so others screwed up it would seem
     
  13. itschris

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    Yeah I get it. I'm just saying I don't like selective enforcement... of drivers or rules. I'm fine with the strict "on/off" type of legislation, but let's apply that evenly. Sort of like McLaren's mini-DRS. Clear infraction, but they let it go on too long before clamping down and without any consequences and my feeling is that it was an intentional design that had a meaningful benefit. Is a half millimeter on the skid block a game changer? Even it it is... it's only at the last part of the race.. certainly nothing Lewis benefitted from at all in the early or mid stages. I'm just saying comparing that to the mini-DRS, it just seems out of line. For these types of infractions, why not calculate the time benefit and apply that to the race and take a whatever number of positions you they determine he gained for running a few laps with a half-millimeter less of skid-block. McLaren were in clear violation last year and even at the start of this year. It was only "fixed" this race. Just better application of the rules is probably in order. I"m fine with the black and white enforcement. Having a wing open when it shouldn't be... is black and white as well.
     
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    I heard Ferrari are doing a remake of the movie dumb and dumber
     
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    Not a movie, it's a 24 part series.
     
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    There is already 1mm of tolerance on the skidblock, so technically Ferrari went 1.5mm over.

    But I agree with you on the wing.
     
  17. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    They're also talking to a publishing company on a new book:

    "How to start off an F1 season for Dummies!"
     
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    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    They are looking at the airflow over the front suspension, which is why Ferrari changed its suspension this year.
     
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    Newey does a track walk with his little notebook. Nothing wrong with looking at your competitors design. I would be concerned if they did not.
     
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    Based on the set up required to get the car to work, Ferrari needs to do a fast design fix to get this problem off the table. Doesn't make sense to struggle with it.
     
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    #300 chipbiii, Mar 24, 2025
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    I still want to know which guy decided after Hamilton’s sprint victory, “hey, let’s screw around with Ham’s setup now. Won’t that be cool?”
    I just can’t believe Hamilton would have wanted it.
     
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