355 Ferrari F355 Carbon Seats – OEM-Accurate Reproductions by CarbonSeats.com

Common good sense doesn't buy a Ferrari, lol. It's a toy. These are accessories for said toy. Logic doesn't factor in other than the value of the entertainment.

 

Ill spend my money on whatever i like, doest have to make sense to anybody else. Usually doesnt. Its just money. I love this and im doing something similar on my own.

 

Variety is the spice of life but if I could justify putting 15 grands worth of carbon into the car, I would replace all the body panels with carbon and still have enough left over for some good quality race seats.

 

if it makes you happy, go for it! Who am I a judge?

 

I was more referring to the part about “it’s a superficiality embarrassingly similar…“. I think most people would view that as negative. the problem is you are viewing somebody else’s purchasing decision and it’s soundness through the filter of your own point of view. Soundness is relative, financial or otherwise. What is not sound to you can be perfectly sound for me. Same with common sense.
pricing is just a matter of supply and demand and market will decide if it makes sense and/or is a sound decision for each individual considering the purchase. If I can easily afford the price being asked and it makes no impact to my financial well-being, and I find the price worth it in the sense that I will get enough joy and satisfaction from the seats that it merits paying the price, who is anybody to tell me I don’t have good sense and my decision is unsound?

The lack of objectivity on here is sometimes puzzling

 

You might need to up the budget on that one.

 

Well, your post is pretty much the opposite of objective as it suggests that individuality should always prevail and that personal choices should be made without accounting for common good sense. This is an issue quite a bit larger than assuming I am only giving a point of view. In any case I can't deny it would be very sound to order a set of these before a possible tariff increase.

 

The less you know about manufacturing, the simpler it seems to make something like these seats. I know a little about fabrication and manufacturing and sure, if this was a production run of 5,000 pairs of seats, 20k per pair would be too much. But manufacturing is all about economies of scale and production runs, and for something like this, 20k is not just fair, but *very* fair, if not a bargain.

Ever look at comps? How about leather/carbon two-piece Recaros from 997's. Tired ones go for $14k and a mint pair recently sold for $30k. And that's for seats that were relatively mass-produced and come up for sale regularly.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/seats-72/

 

what can I say, when it comes to frivolous spending decisions about things that are ultimately not important (which seats do I prefer on my Ferrari?) compared to real life issues, I don’t find it imperative to impose on others that they should take a survey of people they don’t know to see if they find it acceptable or in general find it to be “common good sense“ however you or anyone else chooses to define that. There is no such thing objectively speaking as “ common good sense”. It is all very much subjective. At the end of the day, if you can’t put yourself in someone else’s shoes and see that, there is no point in further argument.

My original point stands. There is no litigating personal preference and subjective opinion even if it includes pricing. You’re entitled to your opinion as much as anybody else is. The problem is there is no such thing as a right or wrong subjective opinion. If you believe your opinion is somehow right, you are objectively mistaken.
Based on the nature of your previous responses I don’t foresee you getting my point or agreeing with it in any case so I’ll just let it go at this point. I will echo another previous response and say that if we want to tackle the semantics of sound decision-making and common sense, I personally wouldn’t begin with people who purchase a Ferrari.

 

On my list, those look terrific!

 

@sbenus
Well, let's agree to disagree. You're off the track and there is little point discussing the ins and outs any further. I find just a little sad that assuming that anything Ferrari-related device should necessarily equate to some sort of decadent excesses, as this is insulting to many owners who are reasonable people and not necessarily parvenus who have forgotten the value of money.
Good luck!

 

off the track? ok, I'm out. At this point you've completely mischaracterized and apparently missed my point. You can lead a horse to water but can’t make them drink. No need to be sad or offended for anybody, especially hypothetically.

 

People who see the value will pay, people who don’t won’t. Life goes on.

People pay alot of money to get the right “look” for the car because it takes alot to get the look right. Some of us prefer the look and feel Ferrari intended for certain things. Gives a sense of occasion that was purposely intended by Ferrari. Shows people Ferrari took the car seriously enough to be willing to develop extra performance enhancements.

You can save a ton of money putting light-weight Ebay made in China bucket seats for $1000 a pair, but to some of us, that display of tastelessness is so appalling you couldn’t pay us to do it. But if it works for some, great. Just don’t expect many to be impressed when they sit inside.

I’ll put whatever works in a beater track car and have. For a Ferrari street car, I want to impress others who are unfamiliar with the marque or car.

I want their reaction to be, “wow, this is pretty sick for a car built in the 90’s. I never knew these cars were that great looking. As a matter of fact, I think it looks better than the new stuff.”


If the seats don’t add value to a car’s resale, then remove them from the car and sell them. Someone will buy them. No sense in giving a new owner $20k worth of seats if he doesn’t value them.

 

Man, we're really getting both sides of the coin here. The guys with a Ferrari but then worried about expensive accessories (which the Ferrari is itself) and then the elitists looking down their nose at those not willing to pay through the nose for said accessories.

I think more options are good, ultimately people will vote with their wallet.

 

For me, at the end of the day it boils down to what the owner thinks looks good (or good enough) vs. looking down on other’s choices. There’s low grade stuff, which is usually unfitting for a Ferrari. There’s mid-grade stuff, which is tolerable, but not absolutely convincing, then there’s high-grade Ferrari stuff, which for the most part just seems to look the part and gives you little doubt about putting it on the car aside from price. It’s priced high because owners are vying for these parts. No one’s vying for parts people don’t actually want.


Some owners who think highly of their car don’t mind putting the money towards it. If one is putting the cheapest products on the market on the car, they probably don’t think too highly of their car. If they don’t think highly of their car, why should I? This is more of the logic behind it. The products are cheap because few want it. If few people want it, should it be on my Ferrari is the million dollar question?


I put $3-4k worth of new Recaro Pole Positions in my car. I decided I didn’t like it enough. No one told me a thing. I was maybe 50% satisfied. I told myself if I wanted to be 100% satisfied, it’s the factory carbon seats. I don’t care if someone else decides to put it in their car because at one point I was thinking the same. Why that choice? Limited options on the market despite willingness to spend more.


Now if you asked me to put a pair of cheap Ebay bucket seats in the car, you couldn’t pay me to do it unless it was used for track and removed. I’m willing to bet 9 out of 10 355 owners feel the same. Some people track their 355’s and put in anything. For a track car, almost anything looks appropriate as long as it’s functional and safe. I have a $500 used Recaro bucket seat in my track S2000. It works. If my S2000 were mostly a street driven car, I’d put something a bit higher grade. $2-4k range a pair. If not for looks, at least for street comfortability for my passenger and I. Usually “looks good” and “feels good” comes with a higher price tag.

 

Love the seats but this reminds me of those replica watches saying 1:1 made from genuine. If these are blessed by Ferrari as genuine reproduction then I would say that may add value, otherwise they are high quality replica seats and we all know replica does not add long term value.

The reason oem carbon seats cost 20k is because of their scarcity. It's like an excellent artist painting Mona Lisas for $600 million a pop (2/3 genuine value) and at the end of the day the buyer still has to tell their friends its not "the one" and watch their smiles subside.

That aside I think they are beautiful and look very accurate!

 

Does the Cavallino Rampante require licensing or is that covered in your partnership with Zanasi?

 

No, Superformance can supply for much less than that.

 

If they're really an exact copy, you should add an unalterable and distinctive sign / difference that could help to identify them as a copy just by looking (hidden underside for example).
Otherwise it is obvious that some will try to pass them as an original set and con people.

 

Originals have a TIR tag on the bottom. Easily distinguishable.

 

they will definitely be recognizable, it's obvious if only by the presence of the TIR label as Ken points out, but also and above all by their qualitative property... a carpet that is 25 years old serving as a shock absorber for the ass under the foam, it can be seen straight away lol

 

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Carpet from autobus in 90´ lol