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  1. jjmalez

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    I am biased but the Cielo is the better of the 2 models by far, which is why they stopped making the Coupe. The car has timeless beauty, drives very well, and lots of bang for the buck, even with a lot of extras such as the one on the Maserati Life Marketplace. Sorry, links cannot be posted.
     
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    I am more interested in performance and the coupe is much lighter (even though it is too heavy) and the acceleration is much better than the Cielo.The coupes seem to have stabilized around 165K to 185K in price.It appears that somewhere between 60-70% of sticker depending on options is where the prices are.I have not followed the Cielo depreciation pricing but I would guess that it would be a little better than the coupe.
     
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    there are many new/unregistered 2023’s with full 4yr warranty for $100k or more under MSRP, and 2024’s for $75k under MSRP sitting at dealer lots. I reached out to one that was advertised for $100k off and they shot back an extra $15k off with zero effort. It was a nicely loaded 2023 Cielo witth $339k MSRP. This was a week ago, so they must be desperate to unload these cars.

    The preowned MC20s for $150k are usually 2022's coupes with maybe1 year left on the warranty, while 2023s listed around $165-185k have MSRPs between $275-300k with 2 years left on the warranty

    Also seems like the year 1, 2, 3 and 4 service is costly. Anyone owners want to chime in?
     
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    From a MC20 sale on BaT yesterday:

    'Two year service is $2,400. My first year was $1,680. This was on a 2022 model.'

    - caymangone

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2023-maserati-mc20-coupe-14/
     
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    confirmed, my good friend and former FerrariChat user just bought a 2023 brand new off the dealer for $100k below MSRP.

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  9. beemerb0y

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    Yup .. there are many MC20s coupes and Cielos advertised for $100k off MSRP. Even the ones that aren't advertised as such, reach out and you'll see that they will drop it $100k right away. Maybe Maserati is giving their dealers a subsidy to cover losses like Acura did for the NSX? I can say with 100% certainty (from my experience) you can negotiate more than $100k off, too. Just keep in mind it wont be stripped down models; the high discounts are on the $320-350k models. But if you want full CF interior ($7k), CF exterior ($39k), CF spoiler ($5.5k), CCBs ($10k), race seats ($7k), upgraded sound ($4k)... you are easily up there. Starting prices of 2023 coupes are $230k and $260k for the Cielo
    Interestingly, MC20s that are actually selling on BAT seem to catch more money than ones from dealers. Might be the bidding/winning excitement and FOMO. And most that are RNM seller should have taken the money.
     
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    Actually $110K off, on a $310K sticker. They also gave me a VERY fair trade value on my 2013 McLaren 12C Spider with 37K miles (considered high mileage and hard to sell privately), and were located just 90 minutes from home. The whole transaction was easy and painless start to finish, I'd highly recommend Maserati Stuart! They have two brand new 2023 Cielo's arriving, give them a ring if interested. I worked with Jacob.

    That last part I found interesting. The two cars coming in they told me were at the port. So it seems the factory is still shipping in new 2023 models.

    After a little more than 300 miles of driving, the car is SPECTACULAR. The different modes are very distinct, the car can be a comfy GT car or a trackable super car that is just naughty enough to for a very entertaining and engaging drive. The reviewers who complained about it being too rough or too on edge clearly didn't spend enough time to understand the different modes. Only real flaws I've found so far are the trunk space (horrible, and a detriment to cross country drives that I enjoy) and the sound is simply good and not great. But it is good.
     
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    I actually got 122K off of a 305K Image Unavailable, Please Login sticker last May but it was a 2022 with every CF option and all of the other options that I wanted,it has been a great car.
     
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    Nice!! $122k off a brand new MC20 $305k sticker is a good data point for those who are in the market.. Buying '22 in May of '24, is similar to buying a '23 today in 2025.. so I stand correct with the $100-110k off MSRP with no effort, should be able to get $120-130k off with some drilling negotiations lol
     
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    So did you buy one?
     
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    Having watch the public auctions and other sales I've seen, the current clearing price seems to be about 65% of sticker. Give or take a little in either direction.
     
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    Working on it! Try to squeeze some more.
     
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    I bought this car. Now I just need to find a truck headed this way from Kansas City.

    To the comment about cars sitting at the port, I learned in my shopping that there are a group of MC20's that have been sitting in the port for some time. They're from closed dealers, cancelled orders, etc. is what several dealers told me. The stock is dwindling though. If you're looking for a lower MSRP coupe you will only find a few obscure colors left in the port cars. There are some better colors, but all with very high MSRP. I was also told that Maserati is currently giving 19% dealer cash off MSRP. Anything more is a loss to the dealer or game playing with buying other cars for credits. Dealers aren't willing to do more than 19% off the port cars because they take a loss. The big discounts are on cars that have been sitting in inventory for 400-500 days.
     
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    Congratulations ! Excellent deal on a great looking specimen. Put plenty of miles into it. :)
     
  21. jakermc

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    Apologies for a very long winded review of the MC20. If you have a short attention span, move on now. LOL

    I’ve owned my 2023 MC20 coupe for a couple of months now, having purchased it new with 135 delivery miles on the clock. As I’ve hit 700 miles now, I thoughT I’d give my early impressions of the car. To help understand my perspective, I’ve owned 20 Porsches over the years, 5 or 6 Ferraris, a McLaren, and AMG, etc. I raced at a national level for many years, attained my pro license, and even competed at Imola once. Today I just track for fun and I am a MotorSport Safety Foundation Level II nationally certified driving instructor. And professionally, I own and operate an auto shop and tire distribution business. So here goes:


    Exterior

    · I still think it’s the most beautiful car of the past several decades, maybe my lifetime. Draws comments from both car people and non-car people alike. The quality of the Bianco Audace pearl white paint job is the best of any car I’ve owned, and my last car was a volcano orange McLaren. Again, positive comments from car people and non-car people about the blue and gold tones that change with the light. Everyone loves it!

    · The exterior carbon package really stands out, and I like how it highlights the technical side of the aero design.

    · Panel gaps are a little large in a few spots, but maybe some forgiveness should be granted due to its unique construction and use of carbon fiber. The front and rear lids have gaps that are larger than the other body panels. A demerit here, but a small one.

    Interior

    · I love the simple, business-like interior. Everything you need is right at hand, and everything you don’t is in the infotainment. The screens are not distracting, with only the important information being conveyed at any given time. The ergonomics are significantly better than most cars. Ferrari is information overload and unneeded complexity, at least for me.

    · The mix of leather and Alcantara materials, again, beautifully business-like. Not as beautiful or luxurious as a Ferrari V12, but hits the mark for its purpose and price point. And to be honest, it’s not that far off from the interior in a 296 which is lacking compared to previous models. (And presumably the Maserati won’t have any sticky rubber parts LOL) The matte carbon fiber on the center tunnel and steering wheel hits the mark, and the 3-D printed material around the center vents and MC20 logo look nice as well. For reference, I have the full leather seats (black centers with blue bolsters and headrests). I think the full leather adds a sense of luxury and high end feel vs the mixed material seats, but I do think the door panels are boring compared to the laser design that comes with the other seats.

    · I do not have the interior carbon pack, which in hindsight I’m glad I don’t The aluminum paddles feel more solid to the touch than the carbon alternative. I even like how they feel a little cool to the touch. They don’t look as good, but they add to the tactile feel. Likewise, the blue leather console cap instead of the carbon alternative is a clever way to bring a little more color into the cabin.

    · Sabelt seats are super comfortable and the ergonomics in generally are nearly perfect. I could drive many, many hours in this car without fatigue. Thankfully the pedals line up correctly, unlike the offset nature found in many Italian cars.

    · The infotainment and information system is fantastic. Easy to use and very responsive. Picks up the phone immediately! And the Sonus Faber sound system sounds great with higher quality inputs (Spotify as opposed to Sirius). The wireless charging pad though is not very effective, a trickle charge at best.

    · The MPG/Miles Remaining on the dash is useless. I currently have about 3/8 of a tank showing with 14 remaining miles. And it shows MPG for the tank around 11. The math simply doesn’t work. Something is wrong with their algorithm, and it needs a programming update.

    · Other than the paddles, most of the switchgear is mediocre a best. Some of the switchgear is cheap feeling. Especially the volume knob and mirror adjustment knob. Feels like they will break every time I tough them. Second worse part about the car.

    · The noise the turn signal makes sounds cheap and is annoying. This is literally the worst part of the whole car. Funny how the small things matter much.

    · The center of the steering wheel really should be leather instead of vinyl. Hopefully there will be a way to swap it out with a leather one.

    Driving Impressions

    Let me start by saying that any review you read or see where the car has not passed it’s 500 mile break in period is null and void. The power is restricted, the gearing is different, launch control is turned off, etc. until this mark is reached. I now have about 700 miles on the car, so ready to comment.

    · Overall Feel – she is lively and perfectly imperfect. Far less clinical than its competition. The electronic suspension and traction controls that are on most modern day cars appear to be less active here. It’s approach is more old school. It will let you spin the tires. It will let you wag the tail. It will hop over road imperfections. You need to pay attention when driving this car and it takes a bit more skill to go quickly in this car versus others. I really like this. It makes the drive engaging without having to do stupid things to get a reaction from the car. It promotes driver involvement without having to reach hyper sonic speeds. I’ve found myself giggling while pushing the car and having to work and adjust my inputs to stay in harmony with her. And for me, this is where the joy in driving come from! And I believe that this characteristic might one day make her a classic.

    · GT Mode – SUPER comfortable. Even better than my old McLaren 12C which was also a great touring car. Absorbs the horrible roads easily with a softly dampened suspension and power is adequate for the task at hand. I’ll usually leave it in automatic when in GT mode and it shifts seamlessly both up and down. In this mode you are also reminded of how good visibility is all around and if not for the horrible storage capacity, it would make a great daily driver. I use this mode when in traffic and I can’t play even if I wanted to.

    · Sport Mode – Everything sharpens up considerably. I’ll switch to this mode when I want more power and want to shift gears. The medium suspension setting is fairly stiff, and if the roads aren’t great I will go back to soft mode but keep the power on. Probably the most useful mode when you want to be a bit aggressive but the roads aren’t suited for the stiffer Corsa suspension. Shifts become a bit quicker and more noticeable but still comfortable.

    · Corsa Mode – This car is certainly fast and the torque delivers power so much better than most cars in its class. It is not frighteningly fast as many reviewers have stated, but maybe they simply aren’t use to driving high hp cars, and adapting to their driving style to them. You certainly must stay on your toes as the back end can step out under power, steering is lightening quick, and the suspension is so stiff it will hop over highway road imperfections. I find all of this incredibly entertaining to drive!! It’s a driver’s car. It lacks the precision and perfection of a Porsche GT car and the wailing sounds of a Ferrari, but it is simply MORE FUN to drive in most real world situations.

    · The steering is light and the carbon chassis is so solid that it makes the car incredibly responsive to inputs. Lane changes happen instantaneously. The high arches over the front wheels make car placement easy and the steering wheel gives good feedback to make corrections.

    · Brakes – The carbon ceramics are amazing! One of my favorite features of the car. They feel like a non-boosted race car, which I have plenty of experience with. So while others complain about the long pedal and massive force required, I felt right at home. So easy to modulate and control. Maybe I’d like a little more torque from the brake compound, so will look at options at some point to make that tweak.

    · Sound – it’s not great. But it’s also not horrible. It makes it to the good category, but marginally so. The tone is decent for a turbo V6, but too quiet, especially with the windows closed. In fact with the windows closed it’s even hard to hear the intake noises. In particular, in GT mode it’s a super silent cabin!! I’m not a loud exhaust guy, but I might explore an aftermarket solution at some point. Otherwise I will need to drive with the windows down to hear anything and that is not a great option for much of the year in S. Florida.

    · Tires – The Bridgestone Sport is quieter and more comfortable than the Michelin 4S in every day driving. Tests from Europe say it’s better in the rain. Don’t care about the track as I will put Sport Cup 2s on when its time. I do wonder though if the footprint is a little small for this car. It runs the same sizes as my 991.2 Carrera T. (Actually smaller, since the Bridgestone is narrower than the same size N0/N1 spec 4S.) Maybe they purposely under tired the car to make it a little more lively and fun?

    In sum, this car makes a wonderful first impression and I am looking forward to the next tests – the track and a 2k-3k road trip. For the former, I need to wait until 1200 miles per the owner’s manual. For the latter, the horrible trunk space will be a challenge. But the challenges are part of what makes each car ownership experience unique and fun.
     
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    I have both an MC20 and a 296 GTB AF. I agree with you regarding the exterior. IMO- The interior is two categories below a 296 (fit, finish, materials and styling). I also think it’s one category below a Porsche’s 911. The MC20 interior is OK and it is sprinkled with cheap parts and a stuck on ipad like screen. I really enjoy driving the car but it is not in the same league as a 296. Servicing costs are high. I was quoted from $4,500- $6,000+ for the two year service. Note: Ferrari provides 7 year free service.

    Regardless- For the price is now costs to acquire- it is by far the biggest bang for the buck for a super car. And possibly the best looking one at any price.
     
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    Enjoyed your input on this Maser, thanks!

    Perhaps an odd question - How is the door clearance, and ability to get in/out when parking near other cars given the way the doors open?
     
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    I think you bring up a great point about fit and finish of the interior. While the leather and Alcantara are on par, the assembly in some place does seem a little off and a couple of notches below in quality. The glove box is flimsy. The lower dash panels near your feet seem thin and poorly constructed. I notice it mostly on the Alcantara pieces, where as the upper dash/leather sections are of a much high quality. The leather door strap pulls, which I love, do worry me that they might not hold up in the long term as the angle that you pull them at put stress on the attachment point. The doors themselves though are awesome! The exposed carbon is both beautiful and the construction and closure is solid. Well done there!

    For materials and styling vs Ferrari and Porsche - it depends. The base examples aren't that great, you have to option them up to get to the nice stuff. Take my own 911 for example - it's beautiful and expensive looking. Full leather, deviated stitching, carbon bucket seats, Alcantara steering wheel and manual shift knob, etc. But these are all options. The base interior in plastic. Nice looking as far as plastic goes, but no leather. This is true even on the higher end cars like the GT3, you have to pay more to get it.

    Is Ferrari service free or is it baked into the MSRP and you are paying dealer pricing for maintenance whether you want it or not? ;) Brilliant marketing strategy from Ferrari, if you want to buy our car you must also pay us to service it. And we are going to collect your money up front. I own a shop, the 2 year maintenance for the MC20, which includes changing 12 spark plugs, will be done in house for the cost of parts. Non shop owners always have the ability to go to a quality independent and pay far less for their service. Ferrari didn't give away free service, they simply took away your ability to choose your venue and made you feel good about it. Again, brilliant! Unfortunately, Maserati took the short bus to marketing class. LOL

    And agreed, a tremendous value at current pricing. I would never argue its a better car than a 296, but I do think the fun to $ ratio is better.

    Owning both, how would you compare and contrast the driving experience of each one? Forget the tech and the leather and all the other stuff for a moment, just how they handle? How they deliver power? The sounds? The usability of each driving mode for different scenarios? I'd love to hear your thoughts on that!
     
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