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The Bernie Ecclestone Grand Prix Collection, 69 cars for sale

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  1. F1tommy

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    Also new Firestone tires.
     
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  4. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Nice find. I guess that means there are still some cars available. They told me Bernie agreed to sell some duplicates outside to others as long as the best of each model was left for the single buyer. So for the one I inquired about, they had 5 cars and only 1 was fully restored and running and I see that one listed as sold. That implies the other 4 (1 complete non-running and 3 with dummy engines) are likely still available for others.
     
  5. miurasv

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    #180 miurasv, Apr 5, 2025
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    Interesting post (number 33) in link here by world famous motoring author and racing car expert Doug Nye on the Autosport forum re Dino 246 F1 0003.
     
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  6. readplays

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  7. Marcel Massini

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    Purchase price was not 500 M £.

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  8. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Agreed on that. Recent sales such as the 555/860F1 at Bonhams Paris peg most single seaters at around the $2-5 million mark. While I see some like the Auto-Union, 1970s and 2000s Ferraris, maybe the BRM, Brabham fan car as being worth $10 million, maybe more. By and large, no
     
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  9. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    Was it 44 cars sold? Dim's post above linking to the sold inventory for THJ's website shows only 44 chassis listed. The rest I'm guessing are the duplicates they told me about available outside the main lot...25 of the 69 unaccounted for on the sold page.
     
  10. miurasv

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    Hartley Jnr himself was delighted to announce in the video below, released in the last few hours, that all of the (69) cars were sold, and to one buyer.

     
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  11. Marcel Massini

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    The information is incorrect.

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  12. Il Cavalieri

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    Tom Hartley is proud to have sold the collection to one person for a total of $600 million.
    It would be the deal of the century.
     
  13. Marcel Massini

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    You mean Tom Hartley, Jr..
    Big difference.

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  14. miurasv

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    #189 miurasv, Apr 7, 2025
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    Having dealt with both, Snr and Jnr, I found no difference. Neither were men of their word, which was my experience. Others may have had different experiences.
     
  15. Il Cavalieri

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    Yes Mr Massini, at 42 years old, call a person junior, it's almost a polite mistake.

    Still his father.
     
  16. BMW.SauberF1Team

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    I'm sorry to hear your experience with the two of them. I have never bought from THJ, but his inventory is always amazing. I live in FL and we have a bad reputation when it comes to used car dealers. After having bought a couple cars from overseas recently I can say it's not much different elsewhere in the world based on some of the dealers I dealt with along the way. I guess after all they are used car dealers aren't they...
     
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  17. Timmmmmmmmmmy

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    Three transactions must come close when adjusted for inflation, the sale of Briggs Cunninghams collection to Miles Collier in 1987 and the sale of Peter Kaus Rosso Bianco collection to Evert Louwmann in 2006 and the bankruptcy sale of Albert Obrists Ferrari collection to Ecclestone. The first included numerous irreplaceable racing cars, such as a 1914 Mercedes French GP car and 1930 Bugatti Type 41 Royale and one of the ten original Mercedes-Benz SSK in existence, plus all the Cunninghams, original Jaguar Ds and Es and so much more. Meanwhile Kaus collection included all the great Maserati's, Alfa's, Ferrari's, Porsche 917s and literally two hundred sportscars all up. Finally the sale of the Obrist collection to Bernie Ecclestone in 1996 which included all his Ferrari F1 cars but also 16 Ferrari sportscars, including 315/335s, 250TRs, P cars and dozens of GT Ferrari, including 250GTOs, SEFAC/61, 250LMs, NART spider etc.
     
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    Kaus owned 512S, 312PB, 750 Monza and a 250 GT Zagato
    when he sold the 4 cars he got around 5M$
    2022 they were 40M$
    the same with all other cars

    in the interview THJ said another big collection will come up for sale
    maybe Perfetti? as Marcel said, he has already sold his GTO

    THJ sold 69 cars to MM
    why are only 44 on the homepage?
    I want the pics from the two missing Ferraris :)
    in the video in the back you can see several F1, no one is on his homepage. why?

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  19. Il Cavalieri

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    Thank you Tim,
    Mr Obrist own a 250 GTO? I didn't know that.
     
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    250 GTO 3869 went to Giorgio Perfetti years before Albert Obrist put his collection up as collateral for a loan from Bernie Ecclestone.
     
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    #197 miurasv, Apr 7, 2025
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    Probably the deal of the century from Bernie Eclestone's point of view for what he was able to acquire them for as they were subject to a lien he had on them. 340/375 MM 0322 was included. I think the 250 LMs were long gone at that point and not sure the 275 NART 11057 was one of the confiscated cars and may have been already sold?

    Apart from the F1 cars I have these which he sold soon after:
    340/375 MM 0322 AM.
    315 S 0684.
    250 TR 59 0766.
    250 GT SWB 61 Comp. 2417?
    330 P 0820.
    250 GTO 64 5571.
    330 P4 0856.
    312 P 71 0880.
     
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  23. readplays

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    Tom Price did pretty well buying the Fritz Kroymans cars.
     
  24. miurasv

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    So Bernie Ecclestone, world famously known as the Wily Car Dealer and Former F1 Supremo actually needed Tom Hartley Jnr and his Sales Team to do 2 years of research on 69 F1 cars with 50 page history brochures and a massive world wide sales campaign to sell his F1 collection to an under his own nose personal close family friend of his, whose house he stays at, Red Bull Owner Mark Mateschitz? You couldn't make this up.
     
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    one time in a company a junior - always then later still the junior ;)
     

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