The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

The difference being that it was made by Frazer Nash. As Denis Jenkinson said: 'a replica can only be made by the original manufacturer'.

 

Correct. This is my understanding of what the word replica was. The Aston Martin and Jaguar continuation cars are examples of replicas. All else are fakes really with varying degrees of similarity to an original. The word replica is very much misused these days.

 

Ok, so the "Frazer Nash Le Mans Replica" was made by....?

I do not think you are following, and I know perfectly well about 'Jenks', as I posted his definitions. What is your critique on my post? Or, no critique?

The Astons, Jags, and now even the Escort, tutored by AMR. They are replicas, or continuations made by....? So what were the "Frazer Nash Le Mans Replica"?

This discussion, ought to be re-started under the title:

"Correct definition of all adjectives of the term 'replica'. "Evocation, homage, tool room copy, tribute, continuation etc. to address "

Then, what the rest of the world think they are, they will post on it. It does not belong to this Thread.
This thread is about 0846, and you are not contributing to it.

Please start another thread, to please ALL definitions, and kindly stop polluting here.
My reply was only because you made a comment, and I ought not to have posted, as also pointless to the thread. Regrets

 

With JG as the owner/consignor, I would not think that any of the reputable auction houses would take the car. I would expect there to be a big issue between what the consignor would agree to as the item description and what the house believes is the description they could live with as the honorable representation as well as what their attorneys would allow to avoid claims of misrepresentation.

With a different owner/consignor the situation could be different.

 

Mecum would take it, possibly Bonhams US.

 

I agree that they, and others, would entertain taking it but the effort would come to a halt when the auction description could not be agreed to between the consignor and the house. Do you really believe that the auction house would allow the assertion of being the remains of 0846 to be made or that JG would ever agree to a total discounting of that "resurrection of the remains" to be stated?

No auction house can be obliviously to their legal exposure over misrepresentation that this consignor would insist upon.

One possibility I could see, list the car for the publicity then pull it prior to the auction and make it a private treaty sale.

 

Just list it as ‘car for sale’ and link to this thread as the auction description.

 

I haven't seen any auction houses outright lie in their descriptions, but I have seen them be entirely tolerant of "deception by omission of critical facts". The two examples that come to mind (both pretty old now) are an F40 that (according to a very reliable source) had been burned/totaled twice, and that wasn't mentioned in the listing (there was only some obtuse comment about mileage not being accurate). Another example was a listing of a 330GT Series 1 car that had the front end converted to series 2, and there was no mention of the bodywork conversion in the listing. Just the standard boilerplate descriptions of series one cars, and series two cars, and then pictures of what looked like a Series 2 car in all the pics, but it was a Series 1 (4-speed overdrive, floor pedals, etc). The listing did say "series 1" on the top line of the listing, but all the pics shouted "Series 2" without any mention of bodywork. Nobody who didn't have knowledge of 330 GT's would have picked up on the fact the body had been converted. Neither of those listings should have been allowed in my opinion, but the auction houses apparently had no issues with them.

It seems like there's a lot of "deception by omission" allowed by the auction houses, but I don't follow the auctions that closely, so it would be interesting to hear what those who do follow them closely think.

 

Greatest P00P car thread EVER!

 

Have you ever read a Mecum description? It wouldn't matter, their star cars rarely seem to sell.

 

The better auction houses such as RM, Goodings and generally Bonhams invest in fully describing lots, warts and all because they value both sellers and buyers. They are the gold standard. Some don't, I remember one of the second tier Monterey sales offering a $20+ mm Ferrari with a mere copy and paste of the barchetta.cc history of the car. Mecum generally just adds a very basic list and some are even worse. Some European auction houses like Artcurial get model experts such as Laugier with Bugattis to do full research and they are great but other lots, not so much.

In some respects its pointless because nobody is playing at the higher level without either being an expert themselves or hiring someone with the expertise, if they don't have the time. This is why THJ, Kidston, Marcel and so many others, both dealers and noted experts are out there buying on behalf of clients.

 

A not 'easy' arrangement. You can be certain of that. Treading on thin ice by all parties. We can arrange for the potential auction
to be held in the now slightly infamous El Salvador auction (big) house.

Regards, Alberto