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FORMULA 1 LENOVO JAPANESE GRAND PRIX 2025 - Suzuka......RACEDAY.......... ▄▀▄▀▄▀ SPOILERS

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  1. ferrariwithsnowtires

    ferrariwithsnowtires Formula Junior

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    Can't we shift to giving credit to Toto, the guy was on the clock for finding a replacement for LH, so far his decision looks just fine.
     
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  2. Ferraripilot

    Ferraripilot F1 World Champ
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    Kimi is really impressing me so far but he's not striking me as the one of the greats have as they were all simply ‘on it’ and incredibly fast from day one in any situation. Kimi doesn’t have qualifying under control yet but he is fast, and his race craft is very good. His pace was quickest on track the final 10 or so laps of this race. Impressive stuff but I’m still not quite seeing it just yet, definitely the best rookie out there now.

    George continues to do a great job otherwise.

    I still don’t see Max remaining with Red Bull even if he bags a title there this season (which I still highly doubt). 2026 will be an engine series and Red Bull/Ford will be on the back end of things for at least the first year or so
     
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  3. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    SO far, this kimi fella is really really impressing. I would say the 2nd best on the grid after Max.
     
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  4. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    It's already clear to me that Mclaren is favouring Norris. Balls' in Piastri's court now; next time take the risk and overtake. Screw the papaya rules. A Title isn't gifted to you, you have to take it.
     
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  5. itschris

    itschris Formula 3

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    Overall another boring race the F1 has outgrown. I don’t understand why we can’t modify some of these tracks to make them a bit more capable. Or better yet, have different rules or options for some of these tracks. Drop the tire rule for instance. But why can’t they reprofile parts of the track to make it serve its purpose. This was about on-par with Monocco
     
  6. 67bmer

    67bmer F1 Rookie
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    I am NOT trying to take anything away from Max, but he has been at RBR since 2017 and since the beginning of the development of the current car for 2x races per year now! He has the time, the development progression, practice, qualifying, and racing experience throughout. That has a lot do with his dominance over teammates. Throw him in a Ferrari or McLaren for 2 races and he would not look as polished. There simply isn't a driver in the world that could beat Max in a Red Bull in two races.

    I do think Max is the best driver in the world right now too!
     
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  7. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Unfortunately we will not see a mid season change from Max to Ferrari/Merc/Mclaren but the last time Max did do a mid season change he kinda ended up winning :D

    But agree with your point, Lawson should've had a bit more time. At the very least until Imola.
     
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  8. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    Wow, so Yuki also bombed. So, if he bombs out again at the next race, who is RB going to rotate in to replace him? Hadjar?
     
  9. LVP488

    LVP488 F1 Veteran

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    Hadjar should avoid that as much as he can - the Red Bull seems to be currently worse than the Racing Bull / Alpha Tauri, and Max is not an easy team mate to be compared with.
     
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  10. FatMike

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    Did Yuki bomb? They gave him the high downforce rear wing. What did they expect when you put training wheels on an F1 car. They knew - or should have known - what would happen.

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  11. Giallo 550

    Giallo 550 Formula 3

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    Red Bull, like Ferrari, should take a long hard look at themselves, albeit for different reasons. McLaren and Mercedes seem to be on a much more even keel.
     
  12. piolaxo

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    I think the outcome is what is "bombing". After three races and no points from driver #2, it will limit RB aspirations for the WC, currently on 3rd, but if this
    trend continues, and Ferrari improves, they probably could end up in 4th. (Without Ferrari's DQ probably will already be in 4th. EDIT, just checked, not quite so).
     
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  13. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Here's the rub, RedBull will also bring updates as well....also Mclaren. Max just has to qualify in the top 3 while MercedesAMGF1 "looks" to qualify in the top 5. Ferrari "looks" to qualify P4 thru P7 with Leclerc and P8 thru P10 with Hamilton. As long as Max is in front of the Mercedes and Ferrari is behind both MercedesAMGF1 drivers, Max alone beats both Ferrari drivers in points IF this current trend continues as it has been.
     
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  14. gh0st0

    gh0st0 F1 Rookie

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    Im surprised there wasn't more talk about how Yuki was outside of points.
     
  15. piolaxo

    piolaxo Formula Junior

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    One question will be how good the RB development be without Newey. If Ferrari can solve its floor issue, it could unlock quite a bit of potential. It's a big if,
    and if *it* happens, when is that happening. If it doesn't come soon, they will abandon efforts to concentrate on next year's car. It's the same story every year,
    but with 2026 rules, that will be a tad more important.
     
  16. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    One thing that's constant with Ferrari is they have always had correlation issues with the 1:6 scale model to the actual model on track....as in those correlation issues don't always pan out.
     
  17. jcurry

    jcurry Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Simple. He screwed up in Q2. If he had made Q3 he likely would have been in the points at the end, as there was only one change in the order from the top 10.
     
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  18. Oengus

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    Might have been the most boring race I’ve ever watch.
    Most exciting part was max and Norris exiting the pit lane
     
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  19. Sp1der71

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    Not sure the floor is really the problem, the suspension kinematics looks a bigger problem right now. Something has gone badly wrong from the end of 24 with Ferrari and that probably rests with Loic Serra we seem to have all the traits of Mercedes last few cars. Narrow operating window check, unpredictable handling check etc. I doubt Ferrari will win proper gp this year.
     
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  20. TonyL

    TonyL F1 Rookie

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    History does have a habit of repeating itself so

    Jody Sheckter 1979
    Michael Schumacher 2000
    21years

    Kimi Raikkonen 2008
    X 2029
    21 years

    Could be earlier if all the other top teams screw up and leave the gate open.
     
  21. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Hopefully it's not just me that sees the humour in all the articles were written preseason by the F1 media about how much of a fantastic headstart Lewis/Ferrari would get because of moving to Lewis' favourite suspension. They truly are clueless :p
     
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  22. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    The sim only shows so much as most is theoretical until on track running! Correlation etc. The opinion was that Ferrari's progress would possibly carry forward and show them to be competitive this season. We wait.....................
     
  23. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    that's not the point...the point was them waxing lyrical about magic changes lewis and his input/needs got put on the car
     
  24. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    One point not widely noted is that MaxBull changing the downforce on Yuki's car to make it more drivable or stable/both.
    Was that not done with Lawson in either race before he was sent back to VCARB? If not then needless drama from the 'management' at MaxBull.
    Did any of the sims or actual testing show Lawson unable to cope with the car before modification etc.
     
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  25. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    What he said. Saddest thing about yuki/lawson bombing out / RB's 1-driver lineup is, somehow even w their handicap, we are still miles away in the constructors. We might even get beat by Williams lmao!

     

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