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  1. Froggie

    Froggie Formula Junior

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    Bingo!
    I found that one, approx 60x25 mm.

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    Not sure it's the right one, I will have to look further (had no time nor room or multimeter to investigate) but looks good.
    Thank you again Mark for your help!
     
  2. thecarnut

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    Did you find the flasher? I am not sure the previous photo is of a flasher. Looks more like a condenser to me. Since your car is a late 4.9 liter it may use the Bosch flasher found on Ghiblis. It is black and square. The same Bosch flasher was used on the Detomaso Pantera.

    Ivan

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  3. Froggie

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    Hi Ivan,
    Thank you for your interest.

    No I have had no time yet to explore further.
    I concur however with your observation, my grey cylinder looks indeed more like a condenser...

    Thank you very much with your picture of the Bosch flasher, very helpful for my future investigation.
    I will report when I can look at it.
    Serge
     
  4. Froggie

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    I have sourced that Bosch flasher, not easy to find.
    Fortunately it is also used on some Lancia's and also VW Käfer's and sold at cheaper prices than when sold as Maserati parts!

    Today I could explore a little bit the under dash of my Indy (no much room, nor time for an extensive search...).
    I did not find the black Bosch flasher but instead that silver Bosch alternator regulator 0190601006 under the steering column, in akward condition! (one of the bolting holes of the bracket looks melted :eek:).
    Well, at least it seems that it works for the time being...

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    Ivan, would you know where the black flasher may be positioned under the dash of the Indy (or Ghibli possibly)?
     
  5. thecarnut

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    On a Ghibli the flasher is located in front of the passenger seat. No idea if an Indy uses the same flasher nor where it is located.
    There is an electronic version of that voltage regulator. Much more accurate and avoids the voltage fluctuations which many times are experienced with the original ones.

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/124416010290?

    Ivan
     
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  6. Froggie

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    #181 Froggie, Apr 9, 2025
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    I am still stcuck with my issue of flashing lights, not being able to locate the flasher unit.
    Here is the electrical diagram of Indy 4900 showing the flasher unit (number 52, on top right), the related fuse number 12 (on bottom right) and the commodo unit (number 72 on bottom left):

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    On this diagram, the shape of the flasher unit looks like the one shown by Mark, with a bracket on its top, but that does not mean it shows the right shape as that may have been unchanged in the diagram when passing from 4200 to 4900.

    When exploring under the dashboard, I have been unable to locate the flasher unit.
    See pictures on the driver's side, left of steering column where the likely components seem to be the regulator already mentioned (A) and some safety unit (B):

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    And on left of steering column, nothing but a ventilation nozzle (A):

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    And on the right of the passenger's side, a capacitor (A) already mentioned, also on the right of the fuse box and above radio components:

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    And on the left of these radio components (with no room between them and below the dashboard), numerous components behind the fusebox but mostly vacuum related:

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    So, I am at a loss, here...
    Any additional tip on what looks like this flasher unit and where i its exact location would be bery much appreciated!
     

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  7. Angus81

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    The car was imported in France by THEPENIER in october 1975 if you have some nice pictures do not hesitate
     
  8. thecarnut

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    "B" appears to be a hazard switch. I wonder if the flasher relay is incorporated within that switch.

    You can use an electronic wire tracer to locate the flasher relay. Place the transmitter on the wire of one of the turn signal bulbs.

    Ivan
     
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  9. Froggie

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    Thank you very much Ivan.
    I will investigate further on that hazard switch.
     
  10. Froggie

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    Issues are piling up:(

    As I attempted to start the car to move it out of my narrow garage for looking more comfortably under dash, I just broke the accelerator cable and the accelerator pedal while willing to floor the pedal to flood the carbs...

    Pedal attachment to its lever is now broken and I fixed it temporarily with wires:

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    On the spare parts catalog, the kind of pulley that can rotate on the lever is not shown.
    It's not clear to me how the lever and the pedal interact, whether the pulley allows the lever rolling against the pedal until some stopping point at the end of the pedal...
    Any idea so that I can attempt fixing that?

    More problematic is the probable break of the attachment of the accelerator cable to the shaft of that lever (or the cable itself), on the other side of the body panel, under the engine bay.
    Pushing on my pedal did indeed not increase engine rpms, understandably as the throttle cable is now loose and cannot be pulled by the pedal:

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    I have to look under the car when I can jack the car in my garage, which will not be an easy task.

    I see that the complete accelerator cable may be sourced from MIE in the US but it is not the most practical and cheap sourcing for Belgium:
    https://maseratinet.com/fr/maserati/quattroporte-i/maserati-indy-maserati-ghibli-khamsin-indy-mexico-late-quattroporrte-accelerator-cable-v8-gt-69872

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    Could a more simple cable be used, assuming that only its end is broken, by keeping part of the existing cable and its sheath ?

    The only good news (if I could even say that...) is that I have found an electrical component uner the glovebox that could be the flasher unit.
    It is of the cylindrical model and deeply embedded behind the radio unit and a kind of big metallic cylinder and electrical stuff that I will have to remove:

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    In case the flasher is the culprit, do you think that the new model (in black plastic) that I have sourced could replace the old model (I would say yes, in principle, but not sure)?

    A lot of questions, hoping that I can get some advice...
     
  11. Froggie

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    Some news on the accelerator command.
    I managed to lift the car with a rolling jack (a PITA in the narrow space of my garage) and to access to the command lever under the car.
    The cable end looks to be attached through a nut:

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    The cable itself has indeed perished, probably from rust down there.
    When playing with the carbs command I could narrow both cracked ends to have a better look:

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    I think that the best temporary fixing would be to insert a piece of new cable inbetween the two cracked ends through bolted attachments.
    That will be certainly challenging due to the difficulty of access.

    Do you think that this would be solid enough (considering the weakened ends) at least to drive the car to my indy and have it repaired by him?
     
  12. GrifoS2

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    I got accelerator cable, handbrake cable and some small cables from

    https://www.taflexa.de/

    I sent old ones, they produced new ones that are very exact copies.
    Not expensive at all.

    Juha
     
  13. Froggie

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    Thank you very much, Juha!
     
  14. indyvignale

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    In regards to the ‘flasher unit’ assuming the new ‘cube style unit’ has the same number of connector pins as the old ‘can style unit’ it will work properly. The older ‘can style’ unit has a bimetallic strip inside that makes and brakes the circuit, while the ‘cube style’ is electronic and more reliable and with a consistent ‘flashing rate’
     
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  15. Froggie

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