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612 Clutch Question

Discussion in '612/599' started by MrJDA, Apr 7, 2025.

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  1. MrJDA

    MrJDA Rookie

    Apr 7, 2025
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    Looking at a 612 for sale and I’m wondering how soon to expect replacing the clutch based on these numbers below. New to the 612 and looking for some help.

    While being serviced in October 2022 at 13,133 miles it had a clutch measurement that noted 87% life remaining.

    In December of 2023 at 14,776 miles inspection noted the clutch at 73% life remaining.

    I’m assuming in the 60s is when problems start. I’ve also read a clutch replacement is a $8k to $10k fix? That accurate.

    Also, is there any cost savings to doing the manual swap if it already needs a new clutch?
     
  2. LondonParis

    LondonParis Formula Junior
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    Assuming it is a pre-OTO, you have a single disc clutch. Drive it in manual, avoid reversing and long stretches of stop and go traffic where possible, and you should get 40-50 k miles. Do the same with the twin disc on the OTO and you should get 80-100k miles. On my OTO, i have 40k mainly GT miles and clutch wear is 30% (clutch was replace in May 2023 and I track wear religiously)

    My experience is once you get to 75-80% wear you may have trouble.

    Costs for clutch+flywheel are approximately 10k pre-OTO, 13k OTO (flywheel is much more expensive).

    The most likely failure to leave you stranded on the side of the road (other than a flat tyre) is the coolant hose 181599. It sits under the intake and has a nearly 100% failure rate once it passes 10 years and 35k miles. On my OTO it failed at 12 years, with 32k miles. It is about 2k with labor to replace (hose is 350 USD approximately). If this is not done already then I would change it at the first reasonable opportunity,

    If you drive 5k miles per year, your total cost should be 1.50 USD/mile including maintenance, fuel, insurance, but ignoring depreciation.

    Bill
     
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  3. MrJDA

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    Thank you. Super helpful. It’s a 2005. That’s cheaper than I would expect the cost of ownership to be. As for ignoring depreciation, it’s hard to imagine they get too much cheaper. I’ve always wanted an FF, but it seems like the 612 is just significantly cheaper to maintain and I enjoy the more analog feeling.
     
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  4. donv

    donv Two Time F1 World Champ
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    612 is just a superb car. I'm almost to 40k miles on my OTO... if you don't need the all wheel drive of the FF, the 612 is hard to beat.

     
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  5. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Same clutch as in my 575M and I am at 43% remaining and nowhere near needing a new clutch.
     
  6. DouglasNg

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    Hi Bill

    Great to see you sharing your experiences

    Is there any list of must do for the 612?

    I am also learning more about the car and am using it as daily driver
     
  7. LondonParis

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    Must do list, not so sure this counts, but for my usage of 30,000 km per year...

    1) Accept the patina of mileage. No point getting upset about stone chips etc.
    2) Never leave the garage with a dirty car. I am best friends with rapid detailing and waterless wash products. There is no better external inspection than personally cleaning the car often.
    3) Check the engine oil every 2 weeks and give the engine a quick wipe down to remove dust and water spots. The engine is the coolest and most impressive visual of the car and needs to be shown off. I add a liter of oil every 5k kms on average. Take a detailed look with a powerful light at the same time to become familiar with how it all looks when clean and leak free.
    4)Avoid parking in the sun...if you must a sun shade is required for the dash,
    5) Pop the wheels off to inspect brakes/suspension every 3 months and to remove all the small rocks that accumulate in the nooks and crannies.
    6) Become familiar with a diagnostic scanner and the required Ferrari software. I have an Autel AP200 plugged into the OBD port 24/7 and I run a quick scan at least once a day when driving. I also use the live data feature to check the clutch wear. Clutch position closed when new, PIS, and Clutch position closed are 3 values I keep handy and monitor.
    7) Have the right tires for the conditions. I use winter rated tires Nov-Mar (Pilot Alpin PA4) and PS4S K2 marked for the remainder of the year. The car is so well balanced front to rear that even in the snow she handles well. No issue for the average winter day in the alps.
    8) A service manager the dealer told me once..."this is a rare, 15 year old car", it helps accept that not everything can be perfect every day.
    9) Never auto, and never reverse up an incline. Transmission always in Superfast (SF) mode, even when in comfort on the manettino.
    10) If you feel there are some spare parts you want, don't be afraid to build a small stockpile over time.

    The OTO is well sorted for the basics, most issues fall into the nuisance category (e.g. parking sensors) and can be dealt with during the normal service appointments.

    Bill
     
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  8. Makuono

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    Impressive. Thanks for sharing.
     

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