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  1. Timmo

    Timmo Formula Junior

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    Considering that OEM cat CUs are a known weakness that always end up failing sooner than later I see little point in attempting to diagnose "slow down" issues before investing in Technistrada's bulletproof replacements. These, an upgraded fuseboard and an external cooling harness are the "big 3" must-haves for our cars.
     
  2. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    None of which I have ever felt compelled to install in any clients car to keep it reliable.
    Gotta love internet diagnostics.
     
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  3. Timmo

    Timmo Formula Junior

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    Lol... Earth is flat too.
     
  4. No Quarter

    No Quarter Karting

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    I appreciate any advice, and then make my own mind up :)

    I have ordered 2 bungs, will replace. I've also updated the OBDII as per instructions above. If bungs don't fix it, Bosch shop will read and see what it says.

    So far I've since cashing out for it last autumn spent about a month diagnosing and repairing/servicing and 3 days driving. That ratio has to change soon...
     
  5. Lawyerchef

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    I had a slow down light in September after my 1995 456 GT had been sitting at the shop for about a year and a half. When it was started and run for the first time, the slow down light appeared. I then asked the shop to perform a timing belt service, and the slow down light went away.
    I'm not sure if this is the issue with your car if the catalytic converters are not heating up. I also have the Technistrada units, and they work well, even though my 456 is before vehicle assembly number 17495 (as noted on Technistrada's website).

    Good luck!
     
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  6. No Quarter

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    Some here, and some on Dr. Google give me the impression that they just drive the car disregarding the Slow Down warning. I understand that's risky if a hot cat situation appears, but besides that, does the Slow Down not make the ECUs do anything else?
    I also read about some people removing cats, that's not my plan, but do they then live with Slow Down warning?
     
  7. Timmo

    Timmo Formula Junior

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    #32 Timmo, May 1, 2025 at 3:22 AM
    Last edited: May 1, 2025 at 3:38 AM
    On my 550 the slow down message only blinked eratically at idle and urban speeds, disappearing above 30 mph, suggesting to me that the ailing OEM cat CUs (updated green units) were suffering from the heat in the engine bay, and that was with a car that came decatted, meaning less heat in the engine bay. The slow down message completely went away after fitting Technistrada's cat CUs. The manual suggests that the slow down message has to stay on permanently to register a proper malfunction, which I suppose would cause the ECUs to switch into limp mode, but that has not been the case on my 550. As the car came decatted I suppose the ECUs were retuned to at least disable any error message triggered by the deleting of cats, as suggested by F. Fiammenghi when I visited him to purchase race headers, and some people have used more or less successfully "O2 spacers" on the secondary lambda sensors to mimic the presence of cats when they have been deleted.

    I can well understand the desire to drive the car after spending much resource in it - BTDT with wrenching on it perhaps like 50 hours after purchasing it before I knew it was ironed out. It has since run like swiss clockwork with zero error message or issues, and I have racked up ~15000 km in 3 years. It runs so well that it seems to thank me for sorting it out and using it as much as it needs. Such a piece of mind with a car of this caliber is IMO priceless... bottom line : get the Technistrada cat CUs before anything else. The OEM units WILL fail down the line, it the used units that you have sourced have not already.

    Professional mechanics like Brian are supposed to make the best of the stock items and are not supposed to use any non-OEM items for liability reasons. If a car for example burns down because of any issue even unrelated to possibly installed aftermarket items any insurance expert will be all too pleased to put the responsibility on either the owner or the shop that maintains the car, at least in my retarded country and certainly the same in DK where there has never really been a strong car culture in my experience.
     
  8. No Quarter

    No Quarter Karting

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    While I try to find a solution, here are some thoughts on ownership so far. No tech questions in this post, so reading is optional ;-)


    I bought this Ferrari in autumn, could drive it home only, did so with long detours, great fun that day. Then it was stationary until April 15th, where I could drive it for two days before Slow Down. Due to insane Danish car taxes (don’t ask me to explain, it’ll bring tears to your eyes) I can only drive it April 15th to Aug 15th, so every day it is standing still is a day too much. It’s now been in my garage for 2 weeks and no solution in sight. And the weather has been unusually good. Was planning a trip to Italy, now I’m not sure…

    I think I can fix anything pre-computer. I’ve written Tuning Made Easy about tuning carburetors and ignition for power, available on amazon. But when computers start entering cars, I struggle…

    Some history, my younger days were spent on dragracing US musclecars, lots of power for the money, then DeTomasos, several Jaguars and now this Ferrari. Some people I’ve met recently from my musclecar youth, they still drive musclecars, I started with Camaros, had 4 in a row, now I don’t have a Camaro, not even a Chevy, I do have a 650 HP Cadillac CTS-V though. But the point is, I want to try different stuff.

    Here’s what I look for, and the Ferrari’s grading:

    1. Beautiful? Check

    2. Great to drive? CHECK, my best ever

    3. Able to maintain myself? Hhmm, so far, but…

    4. Uptime to downtime ratio, and fun to frustration ratio? Not good so far

    People buy Ferraris for different reasons. Apologizing if I offend anybody here. I have local friends that bought Ferraris, well, because it’s a Ferrari, the top brand! If my beautiful and wonderful-to-drive 456M was a Skoda, I would have bought it anyway. The brand itself is not that important to me. For some it is, and I respect that, and I respect the heritage. My point is though, that if it doesn’t fulfill points 1-4 this summer, I’ll sell it. Might buy a Cayman, though the “Beautiful” is highly debatable…

    Don’t get me wrong, I still love my 456M, but I’m currently worried about 3 and 4. The current Slow Down is a well known problem, and should be an easy fix. Not so far, 2 weeks and no solution in sight. There’s not a proper Service Manual IMHO, parts I buy from Eurospares takes way too long to get to me, my code reader can’t read this car and the nearest Ferrari-knowledgeable person is far away.

    Also, don’t get me wrong, I don’t blame Ferrari. I think they make fantastic cars, not perfect cars, there’s bound to be small stuff from a small organization, it’s not like GM that can test everything a hundred times. Ferrari makes great cars, and I want to drive mine!


    So Timmo, I hope you’re right about the time spent now will be a good investment…

    Sorry for the ramblings ;-)
     
  9. Qavion

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    There are always speed humps with old Ferrari ownership. I couldn’t find a vital part for 3 months and my car was off the road for this time (then 2 appeared at the same time). I just focussed on fixing the things I could fix in the meantime.

    Are you simply waiting for thermocouples?

    Does your scanner allow you to select Audi or BMW? Sometimes these work.
     
  10. No Quarter

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    3 months downtime, is my season...
    Yes, waiting for thermocouples, no ETA at the moment
    Going to local friendly Bosch shop today to try to get readout
     
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  11. Timmo

    Timmo Formula Junior

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    Michael, I get your point 100% and am in the same boat though I thankfully do not have the insane DK taxes to deal with. I have a humble background in modifying turbocharged cars and have developed a general interest in engines. To me a V12 Ferrari has always stood at the top of the food chain. I fell in love with the 550 when it came out and thought Ferrari had come back to their senses after the series of flat 12 cars that I had always found a bit technically ridiculous, though I can appreciate them better now. I jumped in 550 ownership after making sure that I could handle all of the maintenance myself, which has been the case so far and has proven far easier than with any of the previous cars I had wrenched on. On a German car, especially with a turbo, everything is horribly packed and the 550 in comparison feels like wrenching in an open space with tons of rooms just about everywhere... this compensates more than enough with the sometimes evasive content of the service manual and with the minor flaws of the car, but one must accept to live with these as in the end it's all about the powertrain, the handling and how both complement each other so well. Unfortunately way too many owners who do not seem to drive their cars "properly" seem to have forgotten that these two are what have made the Ferrari brand over the years rather than the styling alone. My only personal gripe is that driving above "certain" speeds with the windows down even only by an inch causes intense wind noise that do not allow me to fully enjoy the soundtrack as it now sounds marvellous with Fiammenghi headers, but I accept it.
    Anyway... it remains that if you had installed the Technistrada cat CUs right from the beginning you may not be going through all of this now. Not saying that the used OEM units are the culprits right now, but again they always end up failing. In fact these are the very first items I purchased after buying the car as I couldn't be bothered spending time attempting to diagnose the exact issue when I knew there was one component in the system that was known to fail almost sytematically, and this proved to be the right choice.

    Regardless, it is not about being right or wrong on your issue and I just wish you to have a reliable Ferrari V12 that you can enjoy for good in total piece of mind. Let us know how you get on.
     
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  12. No Quarter

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    Visited the local Bosch workshop, very nice people, with Ferrari interest as all good mechanics have… Good news and bad news.

    The good news is that the problem is solved. For now. Maybe permanently, we’ll see. The bad news is that I’m now totally confused. Here’s what happened:


    Status before visit, flashing Slow Down after 30 seconds cold start. Cats are not too hot. Have replaced both cat controllers with ones from a wrecked car, made no difference.

    So to the local shop, tester on. No error codes relevant to hot cats. But a P0102, low airflow meter reading. I can’t see how those two things are related, but the guy stated that they often have customers telling them exhaust issue, but it turns out to be something engine related.

    The equipment he had couldn’t tell me which side, he said my car was too old, he couldn’t read a 456M at all, read a 2006 599 Fiorano. He/we wiggled the wiring, they do have a sharp 90 degree turn, but couldn’t see any effect. He then cleared the code, and my Slow Down warning stopped!

    We tried different testers to find which side could be the culprit, without luck. But the good thing was that the P0102 didn’t set again, and my Slow Down has not reappeared. I drove a short detour home in the rain, Slow Down didn’t come back.

    The plan now is to change air filters, maybe new Bosch air flow meters, depending on if the P0102 comes back. Also remove protection over wiring to see if wiring is bad. We’ll see, right now I’m able to drive :)


    Thanks to all that helped so far
     
  13. Timmo

    Timmo Formula Junior

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    Good to hear. To close the loop it would be interesting now to test your previous cat CUs... but you might want to wait until your driving season is over.
     
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