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  1. USMCS6

    USMCS6 F1 Rookie
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    Im not sure WHAT Ferrari focus is. Maybe just horrible cloths and ****ty social media. They have lost the plot.
     
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  2. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    NExt year is your year

    - Ferrari fans since 2008
     
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  3. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Liveries!

    Oh no wait.
     
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  4. HotShoe

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    Check out the comments on their official accounts, they are getting hammered by pissed off fans!

    The Sprint race gave them false hope now it’s back to reality.
     
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  5. Kimi2007

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    Let's not pass the buck. The truth is, there's a different culture at Ferrari. The team is much more sensitive to fan and media pressure.

    Chris Dyer gave Ferrari 6 titles, and was then fired for Abu Dhabi 10'. Aldo Costa was fired for not getting the new regulations as quickly Newey. Then Pat Fry and James Allison were pushed out. Alonso was sacked in hopes that Vettel could work a miracle after coming 4 straight titles, and when he couldn't, he got sacked too. Sainz got roasted by Leclerc's fanbase, as did Binotto, Cardile, Sanchez, and Reuda, and they all got fired or quit.

    See the pattern? It was the tifosi that called for each and everyone of those departures. They got angry when instant championships didn't materialize, or when some stupid mistakes happened from the team.

    Lots of UK talent were willing to move to Italy to work for Ferrari. Today, you could move Ferrari directly to Enstone, and the top English talent would still not want to work at Ferrari, in fear they would become the next punching bag at the first mistake or series of struggles.

    For Ferrari to succeed and win championships, they have to keep a team together for more than a few seasons, and stop having more lineup changes than Deep Purple every three years.
     
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  6. SS454

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    Max another legendary lap. Lando says Max put in another Max lap. Say what you want about Lando, he's pretty honest more often than not and I think he knows that Max can do things others can.

    Ferrari are sadly brutally slow. Half a second is painful. Hamilton not making Q3, who cares... the car just isn't good enough no matter what. Maybe it's better set up for the rain.

    McLaren for sure have the best car and most likely will win the race.

    Antonelli still looking exceptional. Mercedes are 2nd best but Kimi is on it this weekend.

    Looking forward to a wet race.
     
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  7. Etcetera

    Etcetera Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Meh. Italians are always calling for someone at Ferrari to be sacked. Ferrari get rid of the wrong people and keeping bad ones is simply due to the fact that the people calling the shots are idgits.

    LdM getting rid of Schumi who had 2 more titles in him was peak Ferrari. Also fired Arrivabene for producing a title capable car. They held onto Vettel for well past his sell by date. Dumping Binotto and Reuda were good ideas. Dumping an excellent driver pairing for an overpriced geriatric is yet another example of poor decision making that will never change.

    When a team gets paid the same win or lose, winning stops being the main focus of the team.
     
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  8. 67bmer

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    This is not a Ferrari high point. This car does not seem to be championship caliber.
     
  9. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    The thing is, Ferrari have, unfortunately, lost the plot long time ago.

    Think about it. They have rested their laurels, simply because, the brand is doing extremely well. They lack serious leaders, hungry leadership right from the top. There's absolute no reason for them to struggle, push, and aim to be the best for now. Because, the brand sells itself. The fanbase is huge.

    The car division (design) is so damn ugly these days. They are prioritizing, speed, power, useless technology that appeals to so many rich buyers, that buys the cars for the sake of buying them. For the sake of getting into the much revered 'list' of important clients at Ferrari. The same list they reach out to to sell their overprice crap looking cars.

    They forgot about the beautiful curvy designs. A real man's car. Not this track savvy nonsense. Ferrari's used to be beautiful and curvy. In fact, the 1999 360 modena is still so beautiful today. Now the damn F80 looks like a shoebox with headlights and of course, a stupid V6 sound to go with it.

    On track, they are not serious about winning, because, the fans support them, and buy merchandise no matter what. Which is why they signed a prima donna to help with the sales of sunglasses, watches, shoes, t shirts, and jackets.

    It's 2025 now. In another 4 years, it will be 20 years Ferrari have achieved zero on the track and in F1. Looking back i think we should all be extremely lucky and proud to witness Michael, Rubens, Ross, Jean, Rory's era in F1. There's a huge chance it will never happen again for Ferrari.
     
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  10. TonyL

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    I wonder if Leclerc has looked in the mirror and realizes he will never be a WDC at Ferrari
     
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  11. johnireland

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    Ferrari is dead, for the season and forever. Their last great hurrah was with Michael Schmacher. Since then they have devolved into a mid-field team and they have not shown that they have the skills, the talent, or the will to get back to the front. Leclerc is a lap dog with lots of bark and no fight. Hamilton is a has been diva trophy wife...lousy on the track, and in the sack. Only the most junior reporters get assigned to cover him. The cameras periodically show Frog Vasseur as he sits on his pit wall log and eats flies. Leclerc has used up his youth with failure, he is the new Hulkenberg...or maybe the new Bottas. The only question about Hamilton is, how much more humiliation can he absorb before he gives back the money and retires. Of course one then has to ask, what serious driver of talent would want to drive for Ferrari.
     
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  12. TonyL

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    #62 TonyL, May 4, 2025 at 1:55 AM
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    Not yet, but you are right, If i was Sainz I would shake his hand and say thank you!

    Miami 2024 - Williams Qual AA 1.28143
    2025 1.26.682 1.4 sec quicker

    SF 2024 CL 1.27.382
    2025 1.26.754 0.682 sec quicker

    The point is, who is making the better progress, look at the data not just who stands on the podium. If SF started at the back of the field they would still be there.
     
  13. TonyL

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    ditch Maranello and bring it back to the UK..........i have got my tin hat on :)
     
  14. jpalmito

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    Well you aren’t wrong about your analysis but i tend to believe their main problem is about the fact that since 2008 their technical team is good enough for some wins but not enough to build a real championship contender.
    This is not just about organization or team director.
    Ps : And no need for propaganda, this year’s car is a failure.
    That’s it.
     
  15. TonyL

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    And the 2026 car will be a flop too.
     
  16. william

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    Ferrari was the benchmark for several decades, the team everyone wanted to beat.
    Now, Ferrari is regularly beaten. Draw your own conclusion.
     
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  17. JotaEle

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    Regularly beaten and sometimes (double disqualification per example) laughed at.
     
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  18. Bas

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    Ferrari tends to build cars that are pretty good (minus 2014, that thing was just different types of awful. A car that was both understeering and oversteering and just dog slow on top of that. It didn't do anything a race car should. God knows how Alonso managed to get 2 podiums with it), but Ferrari's big issue is a lack of understanding of the car to develop it in the right direction. And before anyone can actually figure out what's going on, the meatgrinder has started up again and Ferrari begin sacking people left right and center.

    lewis was the wrong person to hire if they want to get actual results. Sainz wasn't part of the problem, if anything, his understanding of the cars and technical feedback actually improved matters. Lewis struggles to adapt to ground effect cars. 2022 he blamed everything on porpoising. He spend the entirety of 2023 telling anyone that would listen the problem with the car was his seating position. 2024 was his Mercedes exit year so he wouldn't be in technical meetings relating to 2025 anyways (same goes for Sainz). Look where the Merc is now and look where Ferrari is. Now Lewis is spending all his time saying he doesn't understand the brakes, that he never had a brake balance switch (???? what are you on about Lewis!!!), anything to distract away that Leclerc is making Lewis look like a ****ing melon.

    Yes, put him in a car that he like to drive and he'll get results. But we've seen it far too many times in his career now that when it's not all sunshine and roses, he won't adapt and he'll be beaten by his teammate. Lewis is NOT the driver to lead the technical side in such a complicated rule change.

    There is very little wrong with Leclerc. He is a masterful driver. Instead of blowing nearly half a billion on a has been that brings nothing to the team accept for some hat sales and a toxic fanbase that'll leave as soon as Lewis is gone, Ferrari could've bought the best of the best and create an absolute powerhouse of a team. Ferrari's technical facilities are outstanding. And by 2028 or even earlier than that they would have pick of the litter for drivers if that was still necessary. Max or Leclerc and any driver of his choosing.

    Ferrari is it's own worst enemy.
     
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  19. TonyL

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    Good post Bas and totally agree........you need to add "BUT they are in Italy and that's A major technical problem that cannot be overcome"

    Thats why all the top teams are in the UK.
     
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  20. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    True. I don't want to bring politics into it so most I'll say is I think right now the climate is shifting and Italy is looking brighter than ever for those based in the UK
     
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  21. TonyL

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    Lets hope you are right and the climate does get better, it's been a baron summer since 2008. Trouble is we keep hoping but nothing materializes!!
     
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  23. HotShoe

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    The question is if you are Lewis do you bow out at the end of this season or endure another?

    After all he is a 7 time World Champion, celebrity, multimillionaire. Why risk your life and further tarnish your legacy if you know you can’t win? He certainly doesn’t need the money. If anything, he can easily get another fat paycheck by sliding into broadcasting.

    He has lots of better options where he can still stay in Motorsports and cash in. He could also easily slide into some great drives like LeMans, etc. Difference being he won’t be risking his life to be a midfield excuse factory.

    IMO he needs to cut his losses move on.
     
  24. ktu

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    Leclerc was still in diapers when Sir Lewis Hamilton started racing. Leclerc is trying to duplicate a career such as Sir Lewis Hamilton's. He's probably forgotten what Leclerc is trying to learn. Figure out how Leclerc can win his first championship before you dismiss Sir Lewis Hamilton's leadership. He's won more lately then Ferrari and Charles combined.
     
  25. Bas

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    I reckon he'll take the 100m and drive 2026. "all new car''. Another reasounding beating by Leclerc and "he" will announce his retirement.

    If the distance between Lewis and Leclerc stays AND Ferrari has the possibility of snatching Max (the latter now becoming increasingly unlikely), I could see Ferrari triggering the performance clause. But with no Max that won't happen.
     
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