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Liberation Day (4/2/2025) was the high for collector cars

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  1. roma1280

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    I’m worried that liberation day and all the chaos that ensued in the financial markets was the high for collector cars for the foreseeable future.

    I have never had a month like the month of April where I was offered more amazing collectible cars. Every Ferrari halo car, almost every 60s classic etc.

    There has been a 10 year steady rise in many of these cars which, based on history, is not sustainable. I hope I’m wrong.
     
  2. 488Julius

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    Did you take any in? If so, which ones? Or waiting until the other shoe drops?
     
  3. Ferrarienthusiast71

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    I don’t get it? What was all the chaos about ?
     
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    A bear farted in the woods and someone actually heard it
     
  5. roma1280

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    No I didn’t, but not because of any particular reason. I’m neither a buyer nor a seller right now. I wouldn’t betray the confidentiality of the people that showed me the cars, but we are talking alloy 4 cams, California spiders, Daytona spiders, every single supercar and SP car, short wheel bases, GTO‘s I mean really stuff coming out of the woodwork.
     
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    The S&P sold off almost 17% from the high in February to the low last month, that’s a pretty massive move and I think the uncertainty of the outlook has really dented business confidence. Certain parts of the financial market like IPOs of small and mid cap stocks have completely grounded to a halt. I mean this is going to have knock on effects for a while I think. I’m not an economist, I’m sure there are economists here that can chime in.
     
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    But it went right back up ?
     
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    The S&P has retraced 50% of the losses, but the S&P is not the same as business confidence.
     
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    And just be offered the CLK GTR with 76k from new. 1 of 20. It’s on social media now so don’t mind sharing. I mean these are incredible cars.
     
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    I just don’t get it. Stocks go up and down people know that? Why do people think it goes straight up always
     
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    It’s a curious time. There’s clearly a great deal of uncertainty and confidence in the markets that’s destined to last for the next few years. Perhaps the spike in availability for high value cars is reflective of fear, or conversely, seeking liquidity to buy into other markets and opportunities if you’re feeling like we’re at a low or will experience significant inflation over the coming years? Were the cars all via US sellers or foreigners too? I ask because the currency arbitrage is possibly at play too.
     
  12. roma1280

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    The majority were US sellers. Yes agree I think it’s uncertainty and fear. You have a $4m car you have been thinking about selling … might seems like a good time to cash out.
     
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    A GTO would look sweet in your RedWalled room.
    Things will settle down, Everyone is going to Kiss the ring and give him what he wants so take the opportunity and buy them up.
     
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    I’m at the track this weekend and the bulletin board for selling race cars, boats, trailers, and toys is at capacity. Seems like a lot of people are reevaluating and reprioritizing.
     
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    My guess is that many people are not reacting to the movement of the market, but instead on the current events that are driving the market moves.

    You don’t have to believe that the market always goes straight up to be cautious about the state of the economy (not just the markets)
     
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    Yes completely agree, the stock market is just a symptom of the issue, which is a material increase in uncertainty and outlook. Plus classic cars that could easily cross borders now cannot which considerable costs. In the US even for cars that are over 25 years old, my understanding is that there is a 10% surcharge in addition to the usual 2.5% duty. This means cars are trapped and can only be sold in the market where they are located.
     
  17. roma1280

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    Yep, that’s exactly what I am seeing too.
     
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    Indeed, but the issue is that everything is low - collectible cars, stock prices... it's a good time for people with available cash, but most people don't keep unused cash just waiting for a downturn opportunity; so if they want to spend in one domain they need to cash out in another one (when many sectors are aligned like right now, it means losing in one side to win on another one; it's arbitration based on an estimate of where the best upside lies).
     
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