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  1. SS454

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    #1 SS454, May 4, 2025 at 6:42 PM
    Some pretty darn good racing in Miami. Some hard fights for the lead and some good scrap through the field. Sadly the British Media/Skysports decided to turn it into an anti-Verstappen discussion.

    McLaren. Utterly dominant. When you consider how close everyone is this season, especially teams 2nd through 8th, McLaren have a relative advantage similar to some of the Mercedes cars in the past. At least at this race. Piastri was a star again. His lack of mistakes is very impressive. Lando got pushed off the track and lost some positions. Fortunately was able to catch back up while Oscar and Max were fighting, but then took too long getting around Max and his shot at the win was effectively gone. Without something crazy happening, McLaren were surely going to get a 1-2 today. It's laughable Mclaren complained about being pushed off the track by Max when they have pushed Max off the track for the last few races.

    Mercedes perhaps were not as quick as expected. George Russell lucked his way onto the podium once again. Kimi was outstanding in qualifying this weekend but his race management still needs improvements.

    Red Bull didn't have the pace for a win, but with Max they could have scored a podium if it wasn't for the VSC helping Russell. Anyone with a brain knew Max was going to ensure he was at the apex first and then push the McLaren off the track. This is apparently the terrible rule for 2025 and there was no doubt Max was going to exploit it, especially since he has been a victim of it as of late. While a lot of his battles with both McLarens was incredible, there was some tough moves but absolutely within the written rules. The moments of trash racing is completely the fault of the FIA and Formula 1. Fortunately nobody got damage. Tsunoda grabbed the final point so a successful day for him.

    Williams was the 4th best team in Miami. Maybe the 3rd if you take away the Max effect at RBR. Albon a fantastic 5th place. Sainz 9th but was lucky to even finish after that dive bomb at the end of the race. Yes Hamilton did brake on an angle which cut Sainz off, but that lunge was from a long way back. Could have easily put one or both in the wall.

    Ferrari simply did not have the pace. Both Leclerc and Hamilton did a better job with tire management than Antonelli which allowed them to close, but they still didn't have the car to catch up. Typical Ferrari being a bunch of clowns on the pitwall. They absolutely should have ordered Lewis passed while on medium tires. Let him have a shot at Kimi, if it doesn't work out swap back. Instead they wasted 3 or so laps picking their noses. Would it have mattered? Maybe not. Once he Charles let him by Hamilton was unable to pull away. Instead Leclerc quickly became the quicker driver. They were right to swap back and perhaps should have done that sooner too. The snarky comments from Hamilton towards his team likely won't make Ferrari too happy.

    RB so close to a point. Hadjar was just a couple tenths off from inheriting 10th via Yuki's 5 second penalty. Lawson once again another donkey move. Drives up the outside and leaves no space for Doohan on the inside and caused a serious collision. His poor driving caused another DNF for a competitor.

    Haas didn't have a great showing on US soil. Ocon tried his best but was a long way off of points. Bearman was pretty ordinary up to his engine failure.

    Alpine was on par with Haas. Gasly was also quite ordinary and Doohan didn't get the chance to show what he could do.

    Sauber is expected to be awful. Hulkenberg had a very solid drive in that tractor. Bortoleto's continues his slump.

    Aston Martin has dropped all the way down to the worst team. Alonso is making more mistakes than ever before and isn't finding this special drives as often as before. He has spent more time in the worst car on the grid than being in the best. What a sad fact. Stroll, one of the worst drivers in the worst car means finishing dead last.

    Driver of the Day: Oscar Piastri. Had a heck of a fight for the lead against Verstappen and once in front he didn't put a foot wrong. Honorable mention to Alex Albon.
     
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  2. fatbillybob

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    #2 fatbillybob, May 4, 2025 at 6:56 PM
    Lando has flashes of brilliance while Oscar has true race craft. He is still learning but his clean pass on max after a few try’s shows he’s got it. Some might say it was because of a rare max mistake but Oscar forced max into that mistake. Lando could learn some things. Sainz was just desperate with a Hail Mary move. Love the lec LH banter. Ferrari has the best of everything but nothing you could call a team. Williams! No money and great results. We know how good sainz can be. Albon is showing he is the real deal having the measure of his teammate. Nickname for Yuki?…Misu yuki….mistake yuki
     
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    #3 johnireland, May 4, 2025 at 7:14 PM
    The great stuff about today's race has or will be said over and over. But this is a Ferrari board so let's cut to the steaming smelly pile over in the corner. Where on earth does the buck stop with Ferrari's F1 team. It can't be the drivers, though they are disasters. It can't be the designers and engineers, though the car is also a disaster. It can't be Vassuer and the pit wall because they are part of the same pathetic team. So who is the one person fully encharge of Ferrari F1...the number uno guy who has made the decisions that has led to the team being what and who they are? Watching Ferrari's season to date has been like getting cancer as a Christmas gift. The only part of Ferrari that really gave me hope last year was Sainz, so I guess rooting for Williams is almost like being for Ferrari.
     
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    #4 kestrou, May 4, 2025 at 7:28 PM
    JI - amen…

    Kevin
     
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    #5 USMCS6, May 4, 2025 at 7:47 PM
    2 Ferrari engines gave it up today.... Hmmm
     
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    #6 XselR8, May 4, 2025 at 11:23 PM
    Hamilton on the radio was entertaining. Ferrari dumped Alain Prost mid season for publicly criticizing the team. It will interesting to see if things settle down or continue to escalate. Im not giving up hope for Ferrari. Maybe the Tifosi can get them pumped up next race!
     
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    #7 Sp1der71, May 5, 2025 at 1:46 AM
    Ferrari have engineered out every decent trait of the 2024 car to deliver an absolute turd of a car. So 2026 will be a write off as well as clearly they are clueless on suspension and aero at the moment.
     
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    #8 DF1, May 5, 2025 at 1:54 AM
    1 sentence concise summary via The Race.com lol:

    --A Miami Grand Prix that promised a chaotic battle - both through the spectacular action of the opening stint and the threat of game-changing rain - ultimately turned into a monumental McLaren beatdown.
     
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    #9 muk_yan_jong, May 5, 2025 at 6:26 AM
    TBO I'd like a shakeup of criticizing the cars and leaving/getting fired like the old days. Gave the driver's a little bit of choice in finding their sweet spot. Nothing worse than watching a race driver force positive words through their teeth for the length of a contract.

    Not easy to swap colors mid-season anymore though...
     
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    #10 bobzdar, May 5, 2025 at 7:30 AM
    The problem at Ferrari is not the strategy or the drivers, it's the car. Even if they completely nailed the strategy that gets a 6th instead of a 7th, big whoop.

    The car, in race trim, is consistently faster than the mercs but does not have the single lap pace to put it in position to capitalize in qualifying. The Merc is actually the slowest of the top 4 in race, there's always a big gap to it from the others if they can get in front. I think they're trading a bit of race pace for single lap pace and Ferrari is doing the opposite, to their detriment.

    I was really impressed with Lando this race, he passed everyone on track after his t1 tussle with Max dropped him to 6th and got within 5s of Piastri. Max and Kimi got the short end of the stick with the vsc, but that's a crap shoot.

    In retrospect, Ferrari should not have swapped the cars but it barely mattered.

    Williams have clearly taken a large step and both drivers are extracting the performance from it. Albon is impressive tbh, he and Sainz are neck and neck now if Albon not a tad better, and I think a lot of people expected Sainz to be the clear leader by 5 races in. What they've done there is very impressive.

    Contrast that with Aston who are only not last due to luck and Alonso somehow getting that thing out of q1 every week and appear to be going backwards. They need a 2nd driver that can push Alonso and help develop the car.
     
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    #11 375+, May 5, 2025 at 8:18 AM
    +1 yep. Will never happen.
     
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    #12 islerodreaming, May 5, 2025 at 8:23 AM
    Everyone saying Lando, great job, got within 5 seconds of Oscar. ONLY because Oscar let him. There's a difference..
     
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    #13 kestrou, May 5, 2025 at 12:08 PM
    Having been raised in The South, I grew up on NASCAR and remember watching Cale Yarborough fight the Allison brothers in '79...

    Thus, I'm relatively new to the F1 world - and probably don't even qualify as a casual observer since I don't stay up in the middle of the night to watch races on the other side of the world...

    But I watched the Miami race in real time and it was BORING!

    Is F1 always this boring?! :cool:

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    #14 jgonzalesm6, May 5, 2025 at 12:17 PM
    The 1st 17laps wasn't boring:

    1) Max holding back Piastri only to get passed.
    2) Max holding back Norris only to get passed.
    3) Team radio with Lewis Hamilton on lap37 thru 57.
    4) The VSC coming out.
    5) 2 Ferrari powered cars going "boom" throughout the race.

    All we needed was rain to spice it up even more.
     
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    #15 freshmeat, May 5, 2025 at 1:08 PM
    Post race analysis:
    Ferrari still sucks.
    /thread
     
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    #16 kestrou, May 5, 2025 at 1:13 PM
    jgm6,

    I could use some "code talking" on these so I understand better...

    1/2) Max holding back Piastri/Norris only to get passed. ==> One dude holding back two cars is the biggest excitement in 17 laps?
    3) Team radio with Lewis Hamilton on lap37 thru 57. ==> How do I hear the radio?
    4) The VSC coming out. ==> What's up with the VIRTUAL Safety Car? We don't even get to see a *real* safety car?!
    5) 2 Ferrari powered cars going "boom" throughout the race. ==> And... that's excitement? Watching a couple cars drift slowly off into the grass?!

    Yeah, a couple guys spun around too...

    Just looked like a parade of fast cars to my untrained eye - so if what it takes is rain to get things spicy then they should mandate "sprinklers on" every other lap or something. :)

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    #17 freshmeat, May 5, 2025 at 1:14 PM
    Also, ain't gonna lie, Sainz gave me a great chuckle dive bombing on Hamilton like that on the last lap, definitely was rooting for him to pull it off.
     
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    #18 SS454, May 5, 2025 at 1:25 PM
    It all depends on what you look for.

    The speed of an F1 car is never boring to me, and the precision the drivers put these cars lap after lap.

    Racing on a road course is always a game of moments. Even in Nascar there is a follow the leader tenancy, it's just how it goes. In F1 they deliberately bumper car the guy out of the way to make a pass. They push them off the track and cry about it instead.

    A lot of F1 fans will find Nascar's drive around an oval in the same order for 35 laps boring. A 3 hour race that is 50% commercials and advertising also won't appeal to many.

    To each their own.

    The Miami race was certainly not the most boring race in F1. I do not think you would enjoy the Monaco GP for example. It's brutal even for F1 fans. Indy 500 is far better.

    I would recommend watching F1 qualifying. It's genuinely exciting.
     
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    #19 SS454, May 5, 2025 at 1:28 PM
    He actually might have if Hamilton didn't move under braking. Even Skysports showed it in their post race show, they just didn't make it out to be a big deal because it's Lewis Hamilton. Fun to watch though.
     
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    #20 tehone628, May 5, 2025 at 7:17 PM
     
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    #21 tehone628, May 5, 2025 at 7:19 PM
    "Lawson once again another donkey move. Drives up the outside and leaves no space for Doohan on the inside and caused a serious collision"

    Incorrect information here. Lawson was on the inside, Jack (Blockhead) Doohan was on the outside. Hopefully its his last race for Alpine.
     
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    #22 JWeiss, May 5, 2025 at 7:35 PM
    Doohan was on the inside. Lawson was ahead by about 1/2 a car. Doohan, I guess, was hoping to be left space on the inside to carry on.
     
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    #23 Bas, May 6, 2025 at 1:39 AM
    They keep changing the car to suit Stroll's inept driving. Easier to drive? Yes. Slower? Also yes.

    Big Brain Newey hopefully will pretend to just say ''yes of course I'll follow Stroll's instructions'' but actually just make a quick car.
     
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