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  1. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    It’s a loooong season. I wouldn’t write off Lando just yet, but Pastry has been very impressive so far this season. Shame he’s the dullest human in existence. He’s got less personality than Lance.
     
  2. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    IMO Piastri's ''dull'' personality is much like Kimi Raikkonen. It's just his personality, deadpan and doesn't pretend to be something he's not. Personally I much appreciate that than overly animated.
     
  3. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Paid to win. Leave the 'personality' to Norris. I have zero issues with that. He gets it done. Thats an exciting thing to see for a young driver. The new guard is arriving and showing us what they are capable of. Other top drivers had relaxed personality as well. No 2 are the same.
     
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  4. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Agreed. Piastri is calm, cool and collective outside the car. Once in the car, he's very formidable and strategic when overtaking Max....Piastri waited until Max made a mistake and pounced on it.
     
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  5. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Piastry is a terrific driver, not an entertainer. What is more important in F1 ?
     
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  6. lagunacc

    lagunacc F1 Rookie
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    Post the data if you got it.

    CL gained too and importantly he kept gaining while LH went backwards.
     
  7. lagunacc

    lagunacc F1 Rookie
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    At Williams.
     
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  8. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Both gained but Leclerc made the biggest gain.

    And I have the data to back it up. I'll post the data to back it up on both drivers.
     
  9. lagunacc

    lagunacc F1 Rookie
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    That's what I was saying.
     
  10. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Had Ferrari swapped earlier with Hamilton, like 3 to 4 laps earlier, then Hamilton would have gained more so imo....but we're talking about the Scuderia's "drinking some tea" moment and not being reactive when the moment calls for it.

    I'll still post the data of Hamiltons gain on Antonelli and Leclerc's gain on Antonelli.
     
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  11. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    [Vanja H @ AerotechVH]

    AKA - How they failed to get both cars ahead of Antonelli

    AKA - "What the **** was even that?!?" Award in 2025 already goes to Ferrari

    So, when we look at the Laps 34-57, we see some interesting stuff right away

    Ferrari moved Leclerc even though they were both catching Antonelli consistently and even though Leclerc was in lower PU mode (we will see later)

    Antonelli and Hamilton were very inconsistent in clean air, while Leclerc was quite consistent in dirty air, even though more often without DRS

    Leclerc demonstrated he had a lot of pace in hand, gaining 1s over Antonelli in just 2 laps after 15 laps of pushing in dirty air

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    Finally, we saw that Leclerc had a mega pace advantage over Antonelli in the final laps and even bigger advantage over Hamilton

    In the final lap, he made a smaller dent on Antonelli as he was already suffering a bit in dirty air, being 1.5s behind him in S1. Despite of this, he was very consistent in those final 4 laps in S2 and S3. If this happened 10 laps earlier, as was expected considering this pace advantage - Hamilton would have been able to take Antonelli too easily

    Contrary, Hamilton shot his Mediums and was significantly slower than Leclerc all across the lap in the final 7-8 laps

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    Hamilton is finally fed up with Ferrari's incompetence
     
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  12. lagunacc

    lagunacc F1 Rookie
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    Thanks. Yep, F should have stuck with their initial decision not to swap, else reverse the swap after it became clear that LH was going nowhere.
    Letting LH push them around is the cherry on top.
     
  13. absostone

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    The 44 is disrespectful rude, ENTITLED, above all in his mind.
     
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  14. subirg

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    Well, for the Gen Z crowd, both are important - that’s why Drive to Survive has been so popular. But I do forgive Pastry as he is clearly a terrific driver. Even Max respects him, which is high praise.
     
  15. ktu

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    I enjoy every race. Sir Lewis Hamilton has nothing left to prove. He holds the winning records. I've seen enough winning. The new guys are fun to watch. Sir Lewis Hamilton is not getting humiliated. Miami sprint race was decent from him. Both Ferrari finished off the podium in the race. I see no humiliation. But even if I did, its still a joy to see him grace the race track. Alonso looks way worse than Sir Lewis Hamilton, but his fans don't care.
    So back to the topic, yeah Sir Lewis Hamilton remains the driver of interest here.
     
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  16. TonyL

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    I bet Schumacher and all the greats didnt put up with this type of incompetence from a team, whoever they are, they would have pushed hard for change & did.

    Vasseur is not the team leader they thought although plenty on here see the writing on the wall well before his official appointment to SF. Its all very well sacking people who havent done a good job, the art of a good leader is employing people who can. Serra, Tondy and Bigois are not up to it.

    If they need a cattle prod up their rear end then let them have it, no good ***** footing around. Anyone who thinks Hamilton isnt capable or passionate anymore is deluded. I dont care much for the guy but he wants to stop them self destructing, he has the experience to know how a well oiled machine is run, Leclerc should be supporting him too, they have been a shambles for several years and basically ruining his career. What a demoralized soul he is. Take the money LH for the stress

    The whole team is like a rabbit in headlights.

    What i would like to know is how McLaren have jumped from a 2nd division team to No 1 with a customer mercedes engine in a very short time. Rob Marshall may be the golden goose but those flexi wings on the RB, MCL and Mercedes are extreme. Stupid little updates with a winglet here and there is not going to change anything
     
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  17. ktu

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    Good points. Although I'll say Vassuer is a improvement for Ferrari imo. Its the technical side that's lacking. When you build a fast car, the leadership mistakes are less noticable. Mclaren has made a few bad choices, also bad pitstops. But no one hardly talks about Zacks leadership. If the Ferraris were winning, that makes Vasseur or any TP look better.
     
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  18. till.a.fischer

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    The communication at Ferrari between Drivers an race engineers is a pure mess.

    Listening to LH/Bono or Max/Gianpiero Lambiase you realise, there ist trust in each others capabilities. Decisions are taken and are firm.
    All of this doesn't happen at Ferrari.
    They are debating back and forth and CL tries to figure out race strategies while driving.
    A big mess and a lesson in bad leadership.
     
  19. Jeronimo GTO

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    LH is the MESS-iah!!!

    :D:D:D
     
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  20. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Even Vettel was a strategist at times with Ferrari.

    Nothing new at the Scuderia.

    Post team principal role, Maurizio Arrivabene even said that people at Ferrari are afraid to make decisions....and that was awhile ago.

    Nothing has changed at Ferrari.
     
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  22. TonyL

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    Agree, Vassuer is a [slight] improvement but he is in charge and should see that key personell are not delivering. He still has Bigois and Tondi as aero guys from 2022!! Is there a clue here?

    Didnt Serra say the move to pull rod was to allow the car to run closer to the floor!! Shifting to this setup why keep the push rod rear? Vasseur has to take responsibility in setting out the goals and direction. Ross Brawn did that in buckets and we all know the result.

    Brown is a clever guy but was basically lost as well for several years but the fortuitous appointment of Marshall appears to have changed his fortunes.

    Will Newey do that for Aston?
     
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  23. TonyL

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    Goes way back to Prost or even Lauda as well, so there is only 2 hopes and one of them is Bob Hope!

    Didnt Barnard say on his first arrival at Maranello..... "how the *&$% havent they won more titles with facilities like this"
     
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  25. Giallo 550

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    Wasn't it Lauda who said it? @william would know.
     
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