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McLaren's Secret?

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  1. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    According to this bloke, the secret to McLaren's ability to keep their tire temps in the optimal window, lap after lap, may lie in Phase Change Material:



    Or it could be Horner's theory of tire water lol
     
  2. Mitch Alsup

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    I still think there should be a regulation preventing rotor shrouds.

    We, the audience need to see those glowing disks !!
     
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  3. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    Hmmmm, rotor shrouds or V10 sound...answer should be obvious =)

     
  4. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Horner saying ''it's water'' is just (the cheapest) way to get the FIA to look into it, and that's how teams will know what's exactly going on.

    Phase changing materials as far as I know are not illegal though
     
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  5. INRange

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    Isn't McLaren's "secret" that they hired two top engineers from Red Bull? The results speak for themselves......they stole the right guys.
     
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  6. SS454

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    Driver61 is often wrong. But his guess is as good as any's.
     
  7. freshmeat

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    Buddy of mine with an inside track, told me it is indeed related to the construction of the drum, whether it's phase changing materials unclear for now! Bet more info will be available at the next race!

     
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  8. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    next race too early I'd say, unless there's an official investigation happening?
     
  9. NeuroBeaker

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    Why will there be more information available at the next race?

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  10. TonyL

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    Genius solution to a problem that shouldnt be there in the first place.....make a bloody tyre that lasts more than 15 laps.
     
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  11. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Its cooling related design to the wheel temp. Materials and airflow. So Mclaren were cleared after FIA review after the last race. My assumption is teams will be rather focused on that for the rest of the year and for 2026.
     
  12. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/mclaren-f1-brakes-intensive-investigation-fia-all-clear/

    The Race understands that following questions posed by McLaren's rivals, the FIA has duly taken a closer look at the McLaren brake design at recent races to find out for itself what is going on.

    Sources have suggested that after McLaren secured a 1-2 in the Miami GP, a more thorough inspection of the braking system, ducts and drums was conducted by FIA personnel on Sunday night in a bid to finally put the matter to bed.

    There has been no formal documentation about the results of that inspection yet, and if this was part of the extra "extensive physical inspections" that the FIA does on a selected car after each race, then that will not be officially confirmed until the eve of the Emilia Romagna GP later this month.

    However, with there being no notification to the team or officials on Sunday night about any problems having been found, then it is almost certain that any forthcoming note will give it the all clear.

    And that would mean, as was the case in previous inspections the FIA has conducted, McLaren's design fully complies with the regulations - and that it is simply a clever design.
     
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  13. SS454

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    I don't know how after all this time Pirelli haven't made a tire with a larger operating window. Bridgestone and Michelin never seemed to have this issue.
     
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  14. TonyL

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    The only reason I can conclude is that its designed as such so they can spice up the show otherwise it would be dead. One of the main discussions points on the day is tyre strategy, take that equation out and most of the commentators would be left sucking their thumbs.
     
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    Have I been wrong for thinking the FIA is telling Pirelli how to make the tires perform(or not)?
     
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  16. Bas

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    it's not just pirelli.

    It's the entire concept of F1.

    Cars too heavy
    Engine saving formula
    Fuel saving formula
    Tyre saving formula
    2022 mid season aero change killed the whole point of being able to follow closely (thanks Toto)
     
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  17. schumacherf2006

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    They have admitted the tire compounds are supposed to be bad to help the “show”
     
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  18. Mitch Alsup

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    If the cars weighed 600 Kg the tires would last a long time.
    But alas...
     
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  19. william

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    That's why Michelin refused to apply to be F1 tyre supplier when the contract came for renewal; they want no part in that fraud.
     
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    They prefer their fraud more indirect, like BOP.
     
  21. SS454

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    I must say I also think the tire pressure minimums are out to lunch. They are way over inflated, and this forces drivers to putt around the track at a crawl (which is dangerous and impedes others) and then the tires are too cold, and within 1 lap the tires get too hot and overheat.

    I'd be fully onboard with the tire wear dilemma that F1 wants, but the fact the drivers simply can't put the tire because they overheat and then the temps don't drop quickly is terrible for racing.

    Remember the grooved tire days when the drivers would push 100% for a 14 lap stint or whatever?
     
  22. TonyL

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    + testing restrictions
    + budget caps
    + updates without justifying to the FIA
    + restrictive rules
    etc
     
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  23. william

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    ??
     
  24. crinoid

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    The tire stuff in F1 is silly, however no worse than the BOP in Wec that Michelin is a part of.
     
  25. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I have never heard of any accusation made against Michelin regarding tjeir participation in the WEC.
    Care to explain ?
     

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