Oh, if that is the case, my apologies. He would definitely have to. It’s a no brainer then! 488 is a turbo, so, hybrid is no big deal I kid. Do what you want.
0 to 60mph does not tell the entire story. 60 to 130mph is much better indicator of actual performance difference at these levels with less variables such as traction. Even 1 second is massive multi bus difference let alone 3 seconds. Your points are valid if you don't care about the performance. Everyone have different standards, preference, nothing wrong, there is something for everyone, that is why people have multiple cars. Have you actually heard an actual cold start of 296 in person? cold start on F8/296/SF90 is very loud. Unfortunately, that is only time it is loud enough for me. I am just stating the fact. Jason Burtman stopped my my house just an hour ago. What a timing huh? From Pennsylvania to Socal nontheless. Jason has 458 with Capristo exhaust and neighbor has 458 with straight pipe and titanium exhaust, we started up neighbor's 458 to hear exhaust, it was loud. Then back to my house I told him my SF90 needs a valve controller, it is super quiet with exception of cold start (real cold start, not start it up after a drive). I started it up and his jaw dropped, because it was far far louder than he expected, he also took a video. He runs the biggest 458 Facebook page.
As stated before with performance, I'm comparing 488 vs 296. and again its personal opinions - I don't need more power than I already have. I can't use it unless I'm on a track. Although I do want more or the other parameters the 296 (and partial 488 also) missing. I. Terms of sound and engaging. If there was a manual 488 I would be all over it. It's not about not caring about performance, there will always be a faster better car out there. To answer your question about coldstart. Yes - many times, both from the driver seat but even more from the outside. But my references to mad loud is something totally different then your experience, and it's just as simple as that. I'm not interested in the 296 or any hybrid car at all. For the reasons I've stated. And there's the value aspect to consider in the next step. Fortunately not a issue for me as I'm not interested in hybrids or electrical cars at all. I don't buy my cars to make money but I'm not that keen on loosing major amounts on a very short period of time so I try to be smart about the purchase. Everything can happen of course and that's part of the game. I've worked hard to get the cars I want without any financial help. To buy a hybrid like this would just be financial harakiri. I wish a was that rich to be able to make bad economic decisions but I'm not. If you have a SF90 you should know what I'm talking about. So interesting that we have different opinions and thoughts about theese cars. It's what the forum is all about. Cheers mate!
All good and fair, there really is something for everyone. For a while I never thought I would get anything without manual transmission. I actually put on most miles in 6spd gated manual 360 and 488 (13k miles in one year). I be perfectly happy with a328, F355, California, GTC4 Lusso, etc and be thrilled with a 458, different flavors.
While I agree with you in spirit... ICE in the 488 is technically already obsolete. ..just look at the performance difference
If you’re going to hang on to ICE, NA is the way to go. Not much difference to me when there’s a hybrid with a turbo engine than not. I’ve had a Pista and sf90…both fun, both don’t sound great.
I agree hell I think cars should be under 500hp for maximum enjoyment... My argument was that the other poster said ICE wasn't obsolete when compared to battery power cars... Or hybrid cars. Well .. they are obsolete in the performance measurement. It's just a fact. I don't like it. I don't want to own one nif the 296bews sans hybrid and a manual the car would sell out instantly.
Yes, performance you won't beat hybrid. Fun? that's another question. Luckily there's room for both to exist.
Too heavy. It's over 3200 (wet) In fact, the only cars I can think of that are at least 400 hp and under 3000 lbs are the following: Image Unavailable, Please Login
I would like to see a picture of your 488 and if you are ordering a 296, what buildout spec are you going for? If you are being offered an existing car for sale, post that picture also, along with all your other F cars. Hard to give my opinion on just the model number!
Agreed. But if I am going to go Cayman route, and exceed the weight numbers, I'd rather just do the GT4RS or the Spyder RS.
No, it really isn't. Did it a few times myself at the dealer. A little dexterity and muscle memory is all it takes. Just like tying a tie. Once you learn how to do it, it's easy and you never forget.
Such a sad state of affairs that Porsche can recognise the desire of such a vehicle yet Ferrari cannot
I let a friend who is a die hard “I wont buy anything made in the 21st century” person drive my 296 a little while ago. He had a blast and when he got out of the car he said- “so the electric was off the whole time?” And I said- “nope, it was ON the whole darn time… can you believe it?” “Wow, that was amazing”…. I dont like that they’ve had to go hybrid also but to me it’s really just another go faster tech, like turbo. Whats the curb weight of a 488 vs 296? I was surprised to just learn the 296 weighs 5kg less than the 488! (1475 kg for 488/ 1470 for 296. Both are base model coupe dry weight…. Comparing 488 Pista Spider vs 296 Speciale A…. The 488 Pista Spider weighs 1380kg and the 296 Speciale A weighs 1490kg. Id note the actual weights will be higher and given the 488 uses a larger engine with I believe a larger fuel tank, thus a 488 should likely be a few kg heavier with fluids than a 296. To me it’s astounding they can build a car with so much tech and keep the weight below 1600kg. My opinion between the 488 GTB and 296 GTB is the 296 is much more fun and emotive than the 488. I do worry about the extra tech, more than worrying about the turbos in the 488. I agree with that concern. Yet, as pointed out above, its a warranty matter, and I wish Ferrari would present a more simple and comprehensive program, they do have some good warranty options but you have to really make an effort to learn them and make sure you get the right one for you, and as always, they are a bit expensive. I think given the new technology, they should offer the warranty at a less expensive rate. Maybe an easy way to find out what you think is to go test drive a 296 GTS. The Speciale will be just a bit more in every direction, but you can get an idea if you get on with the car or not. With all that said I would not replace my 488 Pista with a 296 of any kind because Ive tweaked my Pista to a place where it’s perfection for me. But I would absolutely add a 296 of any kind, which I’ve done, and am very excited about what they are doing with the speciale.
Dry weight of the 488 is officially 1370 kg (1475kg is supposed to be the kerb weight) , so comparing dry weights the 296 is actually 100kg heavier. Highest real life weights measured in tests are 1644kg for the 488 GTB and 1735kg for the 296 GTB, so the 100kg difference is about right. This being said, the 296 is very good at masking its weight, which is not really noticed, neither in corners nor while braking. And of course, the performance is on another level, which is not surprising given the power difference and the power delivery advantage of the hybrid system.
Every time I read or hear someone talk about the weight of a car, and specifically how heavy it is, I chuckle a little bit. The weight of a car (dry, curb, or whatever) is simply a number. And in isolation means absolutely nothing. It's how a car drives and feels that matters. A car can be heavy weight wise (in relative terms) but feel light on its feet. Take for example the G87 M2. It's curb weight is something like 3900 lbs (yes, nearly two freaking tons). But take it around a track? And it feels as nimble as an E46 M3, if not more so. And the E46 M3 is easily 500 lbs lighter on the scales. If you asked a Martian to drive both cars and didn't tell it how much either weighed, dollars to donuts the Martian would say the E46 M3 weighed more. All this is to say, weight is important, no doubt. But how a car's chassis handles its weight is really what matters.
Power-to-weight ratio is everything. Why do you think contructors spend so much taking weight out of F1 cars. If you still don't believe me, go drive a Porsche 917K, then report back please.
