Reviving an old thread here - hope that's not bad form? I'm gathering 'stuff' to do an oil change on a 2008 599 in California. This need for an oil additive has got me all anxious. Last time the oil was changed, by Tony at Modena Motors (totally skilled/experienced independent in SF Bay Area), he used RedLine 10W-60 and "Fac.Eng. oil PAO additive". Therefore I'm researching how to repeat that in 2025 seeing as that recipe has worked perfectly ever since. RedLine, no problem - in stock. But the additive - It seems the Tutela, or the Petronas version, no longer exists. I found a post saying that Ferrari requested Pakelo to make the PAO (Polyalphaolefin) additive - which they did, listed in USA here. https://fse-la.shop/products/pakelo-oil-599-pao-engine-oil-additive-1-liter But they're out of stock, so far with no update on when it might be back in stock. They also suggested that their 10W-60 racing oil: https://fse-la.shop/products/pakelo-oil-krypton-racing-sae-10w-60-1-liter doesn't need the additive because it's "PAO based". Not sure what I think about that, but decent suggestion. The only other proposal I've seen is for LiquiMoly 1017 "Visco Stabil" which is no longer available from LiquiMoly, but does appear on a few euro sales sites. The most promising looking USA item is LiquiMoly 20004 "Hydraulic Lifter Additive" https://www.liqui-moly.com/en/us/hydraulic-lifter-additive-p000004.html#20004 - but with very little info available that I could find. Is that the same stuff as 1017? It's "promising" because the whole point of using an additive is for lifter-clatter. Finally to my question then: What do my fellow 599 owners use in 2025? Thanks for any suggestions/opinions. -Richard Santa Cruz.
Hi Richard I can confirm that Ferrari HO recommends Pakelo.. I have 2 GTBs (one since 2015) and I have used Tutela, then Liqui Molly and now Pakelo. Both Tutela and Pakelo are recommended by Ferrari. Not the case with LiquiMolly, although it is a good product too. My personal experience is that you need less amount of Pakelo compared to Tutela. Here I send you pictures of the can . I buy this part from Ferrari Maranello. Regards, Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I have an unopened bottle of Tutela FVI. I traded my 599 for an F8 and do not need the FVI I have. PM me if you are interested. Steve
My guys have used Red Line for years in my 599. Yes sometimes I can hear the cam chains knocking but it goes away once the car comes to temperature. I hear nothing but good things about Tutela but I've never felt that I needed it.
Thanks everyone for the replies. A little extra information... I wrote to the Pakelo USA distributor (Houston) who told me they were out of stock on the 599 PAO additive but expected to be back in stock in about 4 weeks. He also re-iterated the idea to use their 10W-60 since it's also PAO. i.e. same info as the LA dealer (FSE) F3rn4nd0, thanks for the info/pictures. I searched the Maranello Classic Parts website (assume that's who you meant?) and they have a few Pakelo products but not the 599 additive - I'll call them tomorrow to check. It would be great if Ferrari could test/recommend the LiquiMoly product but I guess that's not a priority for a car that ceased production over 10 years ago. George, I've seen that opinion a lot, and I do wonder why this additive is necessary on only this engine. I guess I'm mainly trying to reproduce the recipe that's worked for me since my first oil change. and Steve, yes I'll PM you, thanks for the offer. -Richard
Hi Richard. I'm based in Europe. I refer to Ferrari Head Office in Maranello. The other model that needs Tutela/Pakelo too is the Enzo. Lets not forget this is a detuned Enzo engine. Regards,
Image Unavailable, Please Login quick follow-up - I heard back from my local Ferrari dealer and they have some of the Pakelo additive in stock. About $40/can, with 1 can needed per ~12L oil change. Thanks for the help/suggestions above. -Richard
