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  1. TonyL

    TonyL F1 Rookie

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    This is the result of changing your whole suspension concept.
     
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  2. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Limited testing via Cost Cap idiocy as well. We expect innovation and performance but are offered artificial limits to prevent it.
     
  3. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Wasn't exactly news to Ferrari.

    Last year of this rule set, why make such a complicated change? It's a significant change in how the car is set up and operates, yet the advantage gain is minimal.
     
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  4. TonyL

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    Exactly, it also affects driver input, beats me how these guys find there way to each track!

    Could be that they are making the change now ready for 2026, we can only hope, whatever they do they will be outsmarted unfortunately.
     
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  5. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    The real question facing not just Ferrari.........

    Ferrari's 2025 car: Can it catch up before upgrades must stop?
    https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/ferraris-2025-car-can-it-catch-up-before-upgrades-must-stop/
    Apr 28, 2025
    by Rosario Giuliana

    A Formula 1 2025 season that began with more lows than highs has left Ferrari searching for answers.
    The team’s campaign so far has been marked by inconsistency, though a podium finish in Saudi Arabia - third place at a track that seemingly suited the SF-25 - offered a glimmer of optimism.

    Ferrari has averaged as the fourth-fastest team across qualifying sessions. In race trim, there have been flashes of competitiveness: in both Bahrain and Saudi Arabia Charles Leclerc demonstrated pace close to the frontrunners.
    Team principal Fred Vasseur summed up Ferrari's struggles: "The most difficult thing to explain is the difference between qualifying pace and race pace."

    It's a trend that has carried over from 2024.
     
  6. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Ferrari may have achieved just one podium finish in the 2025 Formula 1 season so far, courtesy of Charles Leclerc in Jeddah, but it expects much more to come in the next few months.

    The Maranello-based outfit is counting on the FIA’s stricter front wing tests, which will be introduced at the Spanish Grand Prix in late May, to make substantial progress compared to other top teams.

    Leclerc believes the FIA’s clampdown on front wing flexibility will play a pivotal role in a potential uptick in form for Ferrari, implying that some of its rivals – McLaren and Mercedes in particular – may be excelling in using flexible aero elements that still pass static tests successfully.

    On top of this, Ferrari is set to start introducing a major upgrade package at the Emilia Romagna Grand Prix – the next race after this weekend’s Miami round – aiming at improving the SF-25’s downforce; it is scheduled to be fully unleashed two weeks later, at Barcelona.

    The goal is to address some of the car’s flaws, including the rear end’s lack of downforce, which causes instability – and therefore particularly impacts Lewis Hamilton’s confidence under braking and on corner entry. Leclerc, meanwhile, has been better at compensating through his driving style.

    It’s also a matter of merely gaining performance, as Ferrari has been trailing McLaren by 0.323s in qualifying over the last four rounds, which can also be explained by the SF-25 representing a smaller step forward than the MCL39 compared to its respective predecessors – 0.857s to 1.359s.

    The Scuderia may have initially overestimated how competitive its new challenger was going to be.

    Now, for all these reasons, Barcelona will be a real litmus test. Expectations should be kept in check though, given rivals will presumably introduce updates as well, and the previous technical directive on rear wing flexibility ultimately had little impact.

    https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/ferrari-set-for-car-upgrades-in-imola-to-turn-around-poor-start-to-f1-2025/10717933/
     
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  7. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    What else is new.


     
  8. 355TDI

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    I love LDM and believe he will be remembered as the last great Ferrari CEO. Passion has always been Ferrari's greatest strength and its greatest weakness.

    In the last 10 years they have consistently been just a step behind the leading car, coming in 2nd or 3rd. That indicates its not a lack of passion that's the problem. Its a lack of leadership, they keep getting out manoeuvred in design and development and the development strategy always seems to be convoluted, like a recipe concocted by one too any chef's.

    Keep the boardroom away from the race team, they need a go between, someone who sits above Fred Vassuer similar to the Jean Todt/ Brawn partnership during the golden early 2000's. McLaren have shown this structure can be successful with Brown/ Stella

    My two pence worth.
     
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  9. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    LDM should lead a takeover and fix it. He wont. The company is not what he wants it to be. Its not what it was when he was there yet is utterly profitable. Thank you for your service. Its easy to sit outside and complain. He can wait in line like the rest of us lol.
     
  10. Giallo 550

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    I think the major problem is too shallow of a talent pool. Of course there are talented Italian engineers, but they need to cast a wider net to bring in top engineers from other countries as well.
     
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  11. 355TDI

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    Agreed, which adds to my point about the strategic leadership. It is far too myopic and ego driven
     
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  12. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Name a major and impressive company such as Ferrari that lacks ego pushing influence. As long as the numbers work nothing is about to radically change and LDM knows this. He is just another complainer now refusing to see this is no longer the Ferrari he worked at. Its not remotely the same in structure at all. Its a far larger and more complex entity. Its no longer remotely private either.

    https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/corporate/shareholders-structure
     
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  13. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    Sky Sport Italia’s Vicky Piria has shared some insight into how the Tifosi have responded to Ferrari’s hugely underwhelming start to the season.

    "The excitement was huge, but then everything kind of got worse and worse because Miami was pretty bad for Ferrari,” Piria said.


    "The talk of the people is, 'you finished the season on a high last year, why did you go along, and completely change the car?’” Piria said.

    "The switch from push rod to pull rod, and they changed a lot of the rear suspension, which is probably the hard point for Ferrari at the moment, having that rear really cling on the ground because they're really slippery. There's a lot of oversteer going on.”

    However, Piria does not expect Ferrari to be booed.

    "At the end of the day, the passion is so strong that I don't believe people will be booing Ferrari. People will be definitely cheering Ferrari and hoping for something to happen,” she explained.

    "The season is still long. If we think about it, it was around this time of year in 2024 that McLaren really changed the game, in a way, so they definitely think that something is still possible.

    “There will be frustration. I mean, Italians are known to be really emotional. I'm the first one to be really emotional. So that definitely will come up.

    Fred Vasseur to feel the pressure?
    According to Piria, Ferrari team principal Fred Vasseur could start feeling the heat if the team’s fortunes do not change soon.

    "If we think about it, this is the first year that it's actually 100 per cent Fred. He's got his technical team, he's worked on his car, he's got the drivers he's chosen, and things are not working the way they're supposed to work,” she said.

    "We've seen with this F1 car that it really takes something small for it to underperform or to perform really well. So, I do think still there's some chance for them to pull themselves up.

    "It's something that we see a lot in Italian football. As soon as a team underperforms, they go ahead and change the trainer. So, for sure there's going to be a lot of pressure on Fred.

    "There was in the past on Mattia Binotto when he was underperforming, so knowing the tifosi, there will be. But then again, we're talking about really just a few tenths of a second, and it doesn't take much to change the picture.

    "But if the situation that we saw in Miami goes ahead for the next races, then definitely there will be pressure on Fred.”
     
  14. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Fred Vasseur "Tik....tok.....tik....tok..."
     
  15. DF1

    DF1 Two Time F1 World Champ

    The eyes of Ferrari are upon him lol :)
     

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