FORMULA 1 AWS PREMIO......DELL'EMILIA-ROMAGNA 2025 - Imola.....Race...........▄▀▄▀▄▀ SPOILERS ▄▀▄▀▄▀

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That's after the apex.


Last year, the guidelines dictated that to be entitled to be given racing room when overtaking on the outside, a driver had to have their front axle "at least alongside" the front axle of the other car at the apex of the corner and to the exit.

The new guidelines now demand that the overtaking car: "Have its front axle AHEAD OF THE FRONT AXLE of the other car AT THE APEX."

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Albon had his front axle ahead of Leclerc the entire time. Before braking, during braking, and at the apex.

Leclerc is actually quite lucky that he didn't get a penalty despite giving up the position; seeing that Albon did actually lose out.

 

Albon was ahead under braking because he out broke himself into the corner Chuck was able to get alongside. it was never Albon’s corner. is Chuck supposed to freeze time and get a measuring stick out? it’s a stupid rule. let them race.

 

For Ocon were they able to get a crane on the car without driving out onto the track? Can't see where they ever showed it during the entire VSC.

 

While Albon went *around* the corner, Chuck went *across* the corner.
Short cut.

Albon never out-braked. He we pushed off.

 

he was pushed off at the apex because there was a Ferrari there

 

One advantage to DVR-ing the race is the ability to rewind and step through incidents -- and the replays -- to see it clearly.
(Even when watching (almost) live.)


By contrast, I tend to watch Indycar races after the fact, so I can skip over commercials and long yellow flag stints.
(And Indycar coverage tends to go to commercials when cars are pitting.)


In any event, it's a silly rule that says you can push a car off if you dive bomb him.

 

I entirely agree, it's a stupid rule. But I completely disagree that Albon outbraked himself. Leclerc straight lined it which prevented albon from turning in.

 

Looks to me like Albon was going to be able to hold the line on the outside. He only opened up when contact with Leclerc was about to happen.

Had Leclerc left room, we would know for sure. If, given room, Albon still went off track, then we’d know for sure. But alas…

 

exactly this.

 

Sorry Bas, at this point rules don't mean ****...like Charles said : So if he can't pass i must let him pass? What sort of crap is this?

 

You misunderstand me. The rules are ****ing stupid. The way the rules are written at this point Charles ABSOLUTELY should've given space as by the definition of the rules, Albon was now ahead and entitled to space. Had Albon only pulled level with Leclerc, Leclerc would've been fully in his right to take whatever line he damn pleases and Albon would sit there holding his nuts.

ALL OF THIS can be immediately alleviated if the idiots at the FIA stop dreaming up more daft ways to cheat F1 drivers out of their hard earned money for fines and simply create a rule that says "Drivers must give 1 cars width space at any given time when attacking or defending". That's it. That's all that needs doing and this utterly idiotic complicated rule set that makes overtaking damn right impossible is gone in an instant.

 

Yeah... pick one. We don't need both. I agree its done purely for manipulation purposes. it's like everything in F1... all designed to leverage things to be the most commercially viable. Which team... which driver. It's not fixed, but they do put their thumb on the scale.

 

It's never that simple - you need to specify at what point of the attack they need to allow room. Any overlap at all? Front axle alongside rear axle? Front axle at mirror? I think the latter makes sense as, especially if somebody is attacking on the outside, the driver can't see them if they're not at minimum up to their mirror and a real attack is not just getting your wing alongside. Also when? At any point in the corner? By turn in? IMO you can't force a driver to give space if it's after turn in as at that point they are establishing the line they're taking in the corner. So yeah, it's not so simple as 'just leave a cars width of room'.

 

#PapayaRules *vomit*

 

it is specified: "Prior to and at the apex, front axle of the car overtaking around the outside needs to be ahead of the front axle of the car he's overtaking''.

This was about as cut and dry as it can be.

 

I was responding to your proposed rule of "Drivers must give 1 cars width space at any given time when attacking or defending". You'd have to clearly specify what constitutes an attack for it to have any teeth.

 

Got you. Fair enough, I see the confusion now.

I can't be the one that makes that accurately, but lets say for arguments sake front axle alongside 50% of the car you're attempting to overtake (I can't quite say because of how desperately bad the mirrors are in these cars).

A very easy solution would be to install some sort of sensor that registers a car at this set point and the "flag lights" on the steering wheel would light up like worlds brightest christmas tree, signaling someone is there. I'd hazard a guess and say F1 uses a high polling rate GPS so a system like this should be extremely accurate with a 1000hz polling rate.

I believe IMSA these days use digital mirrors as well, another thing F1 should adapt. IIRC Mclaren even makes these systems lol.

 

Agree the rules are stupid and that is the problem.

I would have done the same as Leclerc in the same situation. In fact, basically all racing drivers would in virtually all series - without penalty. The new rules are ridiculous and are largely the result of F1 tracks with very little penalty for leaving the track. If Albon had the pass done, there would have been no way for Leclerc to "force" him off. They were both going for the same patch of tarmac and Charles got there first. The notion that Charles has to yield the racing line is moronic. Yet, as you point out, that is what the rules now state.

 

Well, it's not so simple at Imola ... or Monaco, for that matter.
Imola was a great little sports car track. But it's just not big enough for modern F1 cars. (And the surrounding terrain makes it impossible to enlarge.)
Monaco is just nostalgia.

But to flip the script on rules, the question should be:
"Under what circumstances is it acceptable to force another car off the track?"

This was a "gentlemen's sport", way back when.
I think it was the Hunt/Lauda fights that changed that.

But go back and watch video of Arnoux and Villeneuve at Dijon in 1979.
Two full laps of side-by-side racing, each giving the other room.
("The good old days." )
(Yes, I know: "Okay, Boomer." )

 

It's an interesting point.

All sports evolve though and norms change. We've had decades of this norm, and now they change the rules on paper. Do the fans want it? Do the drivers want it? Is it practical? Will it hurt the entertainment?

At least one contributing factor is that if you forced a car off in the early days, or rather left them with nowhere to go, you might literally be killing someone. Today the cars are amazingly safe, as well as most of the corners on most of the tracks. The added safety definitely affects the racing. Albon knew that worst case, he was driving through the run-off area, not on fire or being sent home in pieces. Less dramatically, he knew his race would continue regardless of what Charles did.

 

Senna changed the game and Schumacher took it a bit further IMO.