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Fuel Pump to Accumulator Connector Leak

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  1. rwbolt1

    rwbolt1 Karting

    Sep 10, 2006
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    I recently replaced my fuel pump and am having a hell of a time with a leak at the banjo fitting between the pump and accumulator. All new crush washers. As a matter of fact, I've tried multiple crush washers: copper and aluminum. I can see the leak is at the washers on either side of the banjo fitting and not the fitting itself, so I know it's not damaged. The leak only occurs when under pressure.

    I'm considering ditching the wonky OEM connector and Bosch check valve and replacing with AN fittings an external inline check valve. Any advice is appreciated.
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  2. yelcab

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    Check the banjo bolt for cracks.
     
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  3. Steve Magnusson

    Steve Magnusson Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Just a side question -- is that some non-Bosch fuel pump with some sort of adapter fitting between the check valve and the fuel pump?

    Gasoline is very non-viscous so migrates so easily that I'd still suspect every joint in the area (even the brazed tube into the banjo fitting). The joint between the thin hex of the check valve and that adapter fitting seems to have a copper washer in it but looks a little strange...
     
  4. Steve Magnusson

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    I just don't like having that extra fitting and joint between the fuel pump and check valve, and think maybe someone might have used the wrong check valve. This picture shows the silver Bosch 1587010536 check valve on the left used on some MB and the goldish Bosch 1587010532 check valve used on the F fuel pumps on the right. They use the same banjo fitting and cap nut, but have different sized threads to screw into the fuel pump:

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    Just a thought...
     
  5. rwbolt1

    rwbolt1 Karting

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    Good eye. Yes, it's an Evil Energy fuel pump with an adapter for the Bosch check valve. There are certainly a lot of potential failure points with so many washers. However, that adapter connection is not leaking. The leak is at the banjo washers. I can see fuel coming through between the washers and banjo fitting.

    As was pointed out, the banjo fitting might have micro cracks.

    I'm thinking of disassembling and polishing the two flat faces of the banjo fitting. Any potential issues doing that?
     
  6. Steve Magnusson

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    No, that would be fine (keeping things parallel). You could also go to a 2mm thick copper washer as the extra thickness gives more deformability to seal up imperfections (and make sure you always use new, soft copper washers -- or you can anneal the old ones in a pinch, but that's sort of a hassle for such an inexpensive washer).
     
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  7. rwbolt1

    rwbolt1 Karting

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    Ahhh... 2mm copper crush washers. The copper washers I'm using are 1.5mm. That extra 33% thickness could be the key detail I was overlooking. Thanks much!

    Off to NAPA for washers. I'll post my progress.
     
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  8. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Very common. Even the factory had that problem when the cars were new. Due to the design of the fitting at the pump its difficult to counterhold. the pump to tighten them. Often some rotational stress is created and in use it relaxes slightly, enough to cause a leak. I tighten all fittings with both pump and accumulator mounting clamps loose so they rotate freely and tighten them last.
     
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  9. s219

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    100% agree on this, it's super important to do it that way. The pipe connects to the centerline of the fuel pump, but off-center on the accumulator. For a given spacing between the pump and accumulator, here are two "equilibrium" rotational positions the accumulator can be in (+/- up/down angle) to avoid putting stress on the pipe or connections. When I assembled my new fuel pump and accumulator on the mounting sled, I left the mounting clamps loose and gently snugged up the pipe fittings to get the pump and accumulator in whatever relative positions they needed to be in before tightening the fittings all the way. Then tighten up the mounting clamps. There is a small amount of slop where the mounting clamps attach to the sled, which will accommodate the final arrangement of the pump, accumulator, and fuel pipe.
     
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  10. rwbolt1

    rwbolt1 Karting

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    Interesting you and Brian both recommend this technique. I've been doing the EXACT opposite; locking down the pump and accumulator down in their carriages, then tightening down the connection "hose". And the results show: Dang leaks. Ugh...

    Any recommendation on torque specs?
     

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