on the 9th of december 2009 our member Mr.Chairman opened the well known thread: testarossa price trends. I was missing until know a price trends thread about the BB serie. so here it is now. to the mods: if already exist such a thread ( have not found yet ) then please delete this here just found this: https://www.mecum.com/lots/CA0819-381017/1984-ferrari-512-bbi/
Honestly, who cares. Are you worried one way or the other. They are great cars to drive. I should have bought one when I first thought about it in 2005.
This could be a good initial reference .. https://www.hagerty.com/apps/ValuationTools/1974-Ferrari-365_GT4_BB https://www.hagerty.com/apps/ValuationTools/1977-Ferrari-512_BB https://www.hagerty.com/apps/ValuationTools/1984-Ferrari-512_BBi
360/430/458/488/Pista ...so many threads about values/production etc etc Boxer ,great old school Ferrari,perhaps because they are rarer not so many questions? Still fail to understand why Dino's are a lot higher priced.
Because Dino’s have design that mimicked the 60s cars and you need near zero comitment or ability to drive a Dino. Also Like art very few people have their own taste of judgement so Dino’s became a thing. One day maybe the boxer will hit and people who buy cars based on paper checklists will want boxers , or maybe it will be the tr. Don’t forget someone buying of a checklist paid 750k for a 599 stick. Front engined v12 Check Stick Check
That is very simple.....Bring a Dino to a public show and see the attraction it gets compared to the Boxer or any other nice "muscle" cars. In general the audience love the shape and the simple design of the Dino and don't care for a second about what kind of "drive-ability" you get for your money. I believe the Boxer will raise in value with time when people realize its potential and how few was build, but I doubt it will ever reach Dino level. Best regards Peter
I guess that says it all, yes the Dino shape has pull, but do you think theee cars were built to putter to shows. They were and are for driving. sadly the world we live in is populated by people who buy cars for presentation and paper spec. Btw even though a countach will Pull more people than anything at a show, they’re relatively cheap too. Most can’t drive a ct, but in this case having had one I can tell you it’s also a pretty terrible car to drive. To me a boxer is all class. You’re getting near 288 performance classic piñin styling that’s not derivative, for a fraction of the price in a truly hand built classic. However boxers require a degree of commitment most are not up to. Same with a Daytona, and sadly we see lots of Daytona’s converted to power steering. There’s also the issue these cars come alive at 80, most “collectors” would crap in their pants above 80, so a Dino which really does work like a 911 is a good bet.
Agreed boxerman...my '84 BBi pulls like a freight train and is really at home above 80...and the sound...oh the sound. No computers just old school mechanicals that one can actually work on. To a degree
Dinos and Boxers... I've owned both. In the early '90s I went to look at a Boxer at Joe Nastasi's place in Brooklyn, NY. It was offered at $115k. I determined it had some body damage and sloppy paint work so I passed on it. He also had a beautiful Dino 246 GTS for $60k that I fell for and ended up buying. I owned and drove that for quite a few years. It's certainly a pretty car, but with only 190 hp a good minivan could leave it in the dust. Fast forward to 2013 and Dinos were trading at $450. I went again to look at a nice boxer BB512 that had been restored and sorted. I ended up buying that for $115. Ironic. Dinos appreciated sevenfold while Boxers didn't move. Having owned both, to me a Boxer is much more car than a Dino, and the looks of a Boxer are coming around. Personally, I think a Boxer should be two to three times the price of a Dino. It's a "real" Ferrari. It's the first mid-engined Ferrari street car. It has a 380 HP F1 derived 5 liter flat 12 with 12 venturis sticking straight up gulping 250 liters of air per second. The combined exhaust shriek and intake howl at full throttle makes the hair on my the back of my neck stand up.
Perhaps the Dino was neglected when it was cheap and rust removal and restoration is not inexpensive. The BB was still new when the market exploded in the 80’s. The BB was usually taken care of. The BB is the last of the handbuilds.
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I not understand the world anymore this nice 512 BBi is offered for 229k € and a 206 is sold for 1 million US $ strange
Boxers are far harder to drive than dinos, The Dino was meant to compete with a 911, so today your avergae "collector" or a woman can easily drive a dino. A boxer that takes a Man to drive and even then to have real fun you have to grab it by the scruff of its neck and wring it out. Lastly a dino while mid engine has styling that harkens back to the ferrari forms of the 60s, esp like a junior 275 whereas a boxer and daytona is its own baby. One day the checkbook collectors will figure out a boxer is sorta the car, untill then we get to enjoy them.
https://www.autoscout24.fr/offres/ferrari-512-bb-oro-chiaro-metalizzato-essence-or-10ea6ab7-c23c-4ec5-b7c4-d857b4fa9e08?utm_source=ios-share&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=share Prix: € 239 950 Kilométrage: 57 367 km Année: 03/1980
just yesterday a 512 BB sold at BaT for 282.500 US $ https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1981-ferrari-512-bb-6/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2025-05-28
as usual, the bb gets sold lower than its worth.... and the next dino gets sold for twice what its worth.... strange world.
all kidding aside, i believe my words were entirely realistic. and i like the bb dashboard, along with the pioneer tape deck and graphic equalizer - which were never fitted to any dino
My first Ferrari was a 72 Ferrari Dino. Loved it, Handling in it's linage /i thought acceptably well for the times. put around 30,000 miles on it. Ferrari days @ Daytona in the 70's had it @ 130 on the high bank. yes in the old days you were allowed on the high bank. Was an importer of a new 84 Boxer 512 BBi. First drive was on delivery at the Jacksonville Port (Fl.) in total European trim including gas. Parting with it on same day was sad as I elected to have it picked up and trucked to Georgia to have it begin it's Legalization Process (DOT &EPA). Many found memories. No negatives. I sold it in the late 80's at the height of the Japanese market.
Thank you for the great post. I remembered a magazine back th n when they drove a bbi across country to be converted. Those cars were in another league to anything on the road back then, short of countach and the thing of dreams. Must have been sad to convert the car, and now we unconvert them. ah euro gasoline, mine just loves race gas so that’s all I feed it, unless we’re low and far from home. Today so many cars and marques have Xtreme performance that what Ferrari offers is more wow styling and badge than so truly differentiated. Sadly imo the pure experience of driving is lost on pretty much every modern car. Even the way those old Ferraris were built was different to everything else back then. Tubes wishbones aluminum cladding. what did it feel like in period to pick one up or just drive it: 1993 when mine was 10 years old and I was a wee 28 stretched to buy it. It helped living with grandma and having near zero overheads. Car came with a thick envelope of docs from day1, clean Arizona car and still mostly that way. I did redo the front bumper road chips and small door ding that aggravated me. It still even has the original Michelin tire decal in the windshield. these past few years thought a lot about selling. But a few weeks ago pulled it out fired it up and had one of those magic spring drives through the hills. What’s going to replace or add to that experience. Imo it n thr wrong day/road/time these cars are a pita, on the right day pure f-ing magic. The collector class will never experience the magic and that’s missing the main feature.. modern rubber 235 upfront at 35psi has given the steering life that it lacked at lower speeds. a bb to me was always quick car, but it makes you work hard for that speed, full focus, working the wheel, feeling what the car is doing and telling you, working the stick keeping the power up and n it’s happy place , thinking ahead for what gear, speed etc you’ll need for the next corner. That’s the joy and it’s missing in moderns which seek to thrill with noise and sheer velocity all sanitized with systems. what’s more fun a p51 mustang or a Cessna citation.
Sean, I agree with you 100%. July, it'll be 40 years that I own my BBI. I can never see myself without it. I get pure pleasure working... I mean driving that car. Im just so attached.
You must have sold at the highest price paid for a BBi. When I bought my first BBi in 1998 it was $35,000 grand and a 1989 348. While I was looking, one owner showed me a FCA Bulletin from 1989 with a listing well over $400 grand for a BBi. I think he was trying to tell me something. He was the original owner and I think regretted missing the high mark of BBi sales.
I hear you..... Both cars are stunning beauties! But taking a high-level view, the Boxer hardware is incredible. A 180º V-12 mid mounted with that amazing suspension setup! It is real racing developed hardware. Also, the Boxer is one of the most fun and rewarding cars to drive! Maybe it's the gas mileage?
