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Max Verstappen: One of the greatest of all times

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  1. NeuroBeaker

    NeuroBeaker Advising Moderator
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    Thanks Joe! :)

    There we go. T1 was a racing incident and Red Bull messed up by asking their driver to yield the position.

    Unfortunately, once that team mistake was made, Verstappen compounded it with an enormous driver mistake that cost them a ton of championship points and earned himself some more super license penalty points.

    All the best,
    Andrew.
     
  2. Terra

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    *Meant premeditated
     
  3. SimCity3

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    Its refreshing to see some occasional red mist emotion from drivers.
    Max is the Cantona of F1
     
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  4. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Not making excuses for T5 even though I think the calling for a ban are utterly ridiculous as the contact was very mild and neither car suffered ANY damage whatsoever.

    Since near the end of 2023 Max has been saying there are things wrong with the car, which was the reason why car #2 stopped scoring well. It fell on deaf ears by the team, journos, everyone because...well Max was winning by 20 seconds, right?
    2024 same thing, again deaf ears. Then Mclaren upgraded the car...still deaf ears. Only later on did the team and journos begin to believe. Max gave the team yet another title though.
    2025 after many promises, it's same as 2024. Max been working miracles and has been scoring 137 out of the 144 points Red Bull has. This is despite the team making a huge error in the already terrible Bahrain race, costing Max a huge amount of points, putting him back to P20 and he still recovered that turd to P6. The same goes for Miami, terrible pitstops costing him LOADS of time.

    Then comes Spain and he somehow makes a 3 stopper work, and then at the SC, knowing what tyres others have available...for 6 laps they put on HARD tyres?! I mean at that point stay out on the softs he already had on, they would've cooled somewhat and worst case he'd finish P3. Gets an (i guess unintentional) brake check from Piastri, then car slides out under him with a mega recovery, then Leclerc slides into him on a f'in straight, then Russell crashes into him, then GP makes a (rare) mistake and tells him to give up the place, for being crashed into. All that in the space of what, 30 seconds (from SC lights out)?

    Max led of the throttle to let Russell by, then got on the throttle so he'd be side by side at the apex (which incidentally, he was). Russell unaware that Max already is there turns in for apex where Max is and they collide. 100% on Max, he knew what he was doing, no damage to anyone.

    Call for his DSQ all you like, talk about reputational damage, IDGAF, everyone has made up their mind already and if Max farts too loudly people already want his head so who gives a flying F about their worthless opinion.

    Without Max, Red Bull wouldn't have won 2021. Leclerc would've won 2022, 2024 would've gone to f'in norris, and in 2025 they'd be behind whatever Toro Rosso is called today.
     
  5. Tallman1

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    You obviously didn’t see the post race analysis by Anthony Davidson who concluded that Leclerc drove into Max. Let’s stick to facts, that makes the discussion a lot easier.
     
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  6. Tallman1

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    The biggest problem is that the stewards are not consistent. They investigated Max and adjudged no penalty, however they didn’t investigate Russell for the same event ( the first one). Russell, who had a right to be there, obviously lost partial control and caused a collision which pushed Max off track. The penalty for causing a collision/forcing another driver off the track has been at least 5 seconds this season. So why Russell didn’t get a penalty for that collision is beyond me.
     
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  7. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Biased towards Max maybe? I digress....
     
  8. furoni

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    That's all true, still doesn't excuse his behaviour wit Russel, that cannot be tolerated.
     
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  9. Patrick Dixon

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    I honestly think you must have been watching a different race. VER clearly slowed to follow his team's instruction, and then speeded up again to deliberately crash into RUS. The stewards (with all the benefit of the telemetry) saw the same and penalised him 10s and 3 points.

    LEC squeezed VER just as VER has squeezed others many times in the past. Similarly RUS was on the inside, which (by the rules which VER has taken advantage of many times) gave him the corner.
     
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  10. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    So why didn't Russell get a penalty in T1 for forcing Max off the track?
     
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  11. furoni

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    I must say Geogina looks like a weasel to me.....daying, my car is broken...trying to **** max, lololo
     
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  12. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Max on Instagram apologized for the incident with Russell at T5.
    On to Montreal.
     
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  13. ktu

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    Did he also apologize in advance for Montreal too?
     
  14. jgonzalesm6

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    No comment.
     
  15. SS454

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    hahaha. I mean who isn't going to tune in wondering if Max is going to do something else to prove a point? F1 are such morons for not doing whatever they can to keep him since he is massive for views right now.
     
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  16. Patrick Dixon

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    You only get a penalty if you disadvantage the other driver to the extent that they lose the place to you, or sustain damage. Since VER kept his position and had no damage, there was no penalty. I'm not saying the rules aren't stupid (there are too many penalties, and too many safely cars) but that's another issue.
     
  17. jgonzalesm6

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    There's too many inconsistencies. What's not fair for one driver is fair for the other.

    Watch long enough and you will see it.
     
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  18. Patrick Dixon

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    I've been watching for over 45 years - how much longer do I need?
     
  19. jgonzalesm6

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    Fair enough.
     
  20. Tallman1

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    Well like me, you have then seen plenty of inconsistencies and blatant unfair decisions and even fraud….to just name a few.
     
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  21. william

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    If that is of any consolation, it happends in most sports, I would say. There is controversy everywhere.
     
  22. singletrack

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    I love Max. Great driver and hilarious dude.

    Redbull are absolute ****s for telling him to give the position back after George crashed into him. It doesn't surprise me that he lost his mind.
     
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  23. armedferret

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    Except the part that Max was BEHIND Charles, and had every available opportunity to avoid it but chose not to. The car ahead has the right to the corner. Max had acres of space to his left, he ignored it. Charles did the same thing to Max that Max does to other drivers and runs them off the track day in day out. The Max bootlickers just don't like it when it happens to their golden boy lol.

    Anthony Davidson is historically a huge Max fanboy, his analysis is as useful as any Englishman's analysis when Lewis crashes someone out. :rolleyes:
     
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  24. 375+

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    +1 agree, fair enough.
     
  25. armedferret

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    While the wrong call, they were understandably cautious as there's plenty of historical data to suggest they'd hit them with the time penalty, and with the cars as bunched up as they were, it would be a massive points loss (which it ended up being anyway because he had a tantrum). Damage control, give up one position to avoid losing 5 or 6. They didn't have the benefit of hindsight in the moment as we do now of course. The pit wall runs on data and knowledge as much as possible, and minimizes what-ifs at every chance. Max is, in his mind, *ALWAYS* right and everyone else is stupid because they don't see the world through his eyes. His ego won't let him trust the team as much as he needs to, which is why he won't get another title (certainly not this year, at least....or ever if he doesn't start accepting that he isn't the end-all, be-all of Formula 1).
     

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