Ferrari F80

Also FYI, Ferrari has won a total of 500 GT races with the Ferrari 488 GT3, including both standard and Evo 2020 configurations. The 488 GT3 is considered Ferrari's most successful GT model, having won 110 titles in seven seasons. McLaren has 200 GT race wins with 25 championships.

Forse un giorno la McLaren raggiungerà la Ferrari...

 

Ferrari has won more Formula 1 races than McLaren.

 

Mine starts with 01 and is probably an in-house tracking number. But probably nothing more than that.

 

Also FYI:

F80 - 0 to 60 2.1 and 0 to 124 5.75
W1 - 0 to 60 2.7 and 124 5.8

So the extra horsepower and torque + less weight is providing less performance in a straight line. You can only use so much HP and torque in a rear wheel drive car. Now apply this to a track, the Ferrari will manage its power better, pull out of an apex of a turn and as we can see from a straight line perspective pull from W1. The suspension is revolutionary, the car will run flat and manage the airflow under the car to maximize its cornering performance and lap times

Not to mention the V6 in the Ferrari has proven to be a workhorse, the new V8 in the McLaren is not as proven.

 

What does F1 have to do with anything? When the F40 and the F50 came out, Ferrari weren't winning Championships in F1 and we all know how these cars turned out!!!

 

It's better if it remains unique... I have the impression we are going to see numerous catastrophic configurations with this car....it corresponds well to the time !

 

Lapo Elkann must love this era of specs

 

It's been almost eight years since the Ferrari Fxx-K EVO was unveiled in 2017 and although on paper the F80 is superior in terms of almost every parameter - power, acceleration, aerodynamics, down-force, brakes, etc. - in terms of engine the difference is abysmal between the two as the former has twice the cylinders and liters of the latter twin-turbo V6. There is no other way of saying it but the truth is that the difference in sound between the two engines is like day and night.

Although technologically the F80 is a much more advanced car, what continuous being a fact is that its Fiorano's lap time of 1:15.1 is still about 1 second slower than the Fxx-K EVO's 1:14.0. Although the Fxx-K Evo is a Corse clienti track car, it can be driven on the road as the photos below show and there is even an Fxx-K that has been converted to street legal. Who knows why Ferrari actively condemned that idea of a street legal Fxx-k by barring the owners from participating in the Corse client events should they convert their Fxx-Ks. Were they afraid it could compete with their future F80? Although only 40 Fxx-K EVOs were produced, one went on sale in 2024 for around $3.5 million, which is roughly the price of an F80.

As much as Ferrari claims that the F80 is a road car, we all know that it will be on the track that owners will push their adrenaline levels to the limit and truly enjoy the car. Although Ferrari has always claimed that the F80 uses a V6 bi-turbo hybrid because it offered the highest performance and technical advantages, however, the 2017 Fxx-K EVO with its V12 NA and older hybrid system but with less 270 kg, contradicts that principle by being faster at Fiorano.

To me the Fxx-K Evo proves that the F80's V6 twin-turbo wasn't an inevitability and Ferrari could perfectly have used a V12 NA without sacrificing performance. My conviction is that Ferrari didn't do it due to the draconian EU emission rules whose implementation has had to be delayed to temporarily save Europe's car industry.











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You can never compare a track/race car to a street legal production car, night and day. If you want a comparison of the FXXK Evo to the F80, you will need to wait and compare it to the track only version, this is an apples to apples comparison. Its more accurate to compare the 499 Modificata to the FXXK Evo, and the owners of both of those cars will tell you there is not comparison, as they tell me "the FXXK feels like a brick in comparison".

 

What's the next argument, guys?

That Ferrari is a better financially run company than Mclaren?

Or that the boys at Maranello provide a better factory tour than the guys at Woking?

C'mon, we should be better than this ...

 

I was cranky... and you are right, both GREAT companies with amazing race history as well as some epic street legal cars.

 

Apples to oranges. I am amazed you didn't through in a 2005 F1 car in this "comparison"...

 

Or that Ferrari won the last two 24 Hours of Le Mans.

 

Obviously that a direct comparison cannot be made between a track/race car and a street legal production one, but I did so solely to highlight the change in trajectory undertaken by Ferrari, which I referred to in my post. In 2017, Ferrari's greatest exponent in terms of performance, technology and engine was the Fxx-k EVO with its V12 NA hybrid, following on from the 2015 Fxx-K and continuing a journey that began with the brand's first hybrid in 2013, the La Ferrari. So why did Ferrari abruptly halt this evolutionary process of the V12 NA hybrid that was so promising, launching the SF90 in 2019 with a V8 turbo hybrid? Perhaps it was the apprehension at the time regarding the draconian legislation that the EU was implementing in terms of emissions. What is not understood is why Ferrari, under this legislation, continues to produce a V12 NA model but has discarded its more powerful hybrid version.
In the specific case of the F80, as has always been the case with Ferrari supercars preceding it, the powertrain is based on the finest expression of technology in motorsport and therefore the use of the V6 turbo hybrid naturally follows what happened at Le Mans and in F1. I wonder what would happened if Ferrari had managed to continue with the V12 NA hybrid in the SF 90 and later in the SF 90xx. At least we could pair one of them with a F80, start the engines and ear the differences.

 

Ferrari has always been excellent at taking racing technology and applying it to street cars. If I have a criticism of the F80, at least at the moment, it would be that it seems this time they’ve perhaps been a little too literal and taken the engine from the 2x LeMans winning (maybe soon 3x?) excellent 499P, and some bits from F1 and put them together into what you might call a “power unit”. Yet, what really captures the minds of many of us when we think of Ferrari is the V12 engine, as that is the most prominent engine of Ferrari. I don’t think people have the same romantic feelings towards a “power unit”, no matter how excellent, nor how impressive the racing successes. However, Ferrari faced a problem to use the existing F140 V12 because it has already been done in 2 prior supercars, to make a 3rd would be too far, what would be new? An AWD system? That’s not enough. And they say the F140 is too large for adding the hybrid and fitting inside a supercar shape. As I see it, this would have been an excellent time to introduce an entirely new V12 engine, perhaps like the one we’ve seen with the oval shaped pistons. I think for many of us who love Ferrari, Ferrari is first and foremost an engine builder. By shifting the focus away from the engine, and towards a power unit, it creates a bit of disappointment. However, I think if the F80 drives in a way that is so much above the prior supercars, that it is a true breakthrough, then I think this disappointment will largely mitigated. I’m very much looking forward to the press reviews, and more importantly, hopefully some driving impressions from those who are getting one of these amazing machines.

 

Jerry Excellent writing, but something else would not be to expect from the man who predicted back in 2017 what the Purosangue would be .
I fully agree, a V12 NA hybrid continuous making perfect sense in the Ferrari range and would certainly make a difference. Regarding the F80 and no matter how good its driving impressions will be, for me it lacks the sound (music) that for decades has made Ferraris different from all the other brands.

 

Thank you Mario, how else can someone reply properly I think no one can ever argue with an honest opinion, it belongs to you, and that is very fair. I also think you won’t be at all alone regarding the sound level. Maybe they can make it a bit louder. The 296 does sound very good, so maybe it is possible. In any event, I remember hearing of the F40 that it was a “kit car” and, “not a 12 cylinder”, and “clearly the car that will be remembered most of this era will be the Testarossa…”. And yet…. Time will provide us with the answers. I will say for my own opinion, when I did see the F80 in person, my reaction was “proper Ferrari supercar”….

 

A little anecdote about the FXX & K. Everyone thinks they are race cars, but they are not... I spent an afternoon with René Arnoux, who is used to driving this car. He was very clear in explaining to me that the setups, the brake distribution, and the weight transfers have nothing to do with a race car and that they are made to ensure the gentleman driver is safe, but would not allow a professional driver to set a lap time in a race. On the contrary, a race car would not allow the gentleman driver to feel secure, because it responds to the constant use of all driving techniques.

 

If the Fxx-K EVO isn’t a proper race car but just a gentleman’s “racer” then perhaps it is more comparable to the F80 than previously suggested.

 

This is what a perfect car for track days should be( FXX), which it does very well.

 

I suggest you to check the battery size of the W1 and calculate for how much time that power can be used...

 

I hope they ‘make’ W1 at all.
The change of leadership worries me alot.
Ferrari showed us not the rendering but the fully developed car, whish is admirable.

 

So an engine with a specific output of 300 CV per litre is not impressive enough?

 

That is a deeply impressive accomplishment. Zero argument on this being an impressive engine.

As is the rest of the F80. Anywhere you look at the F80, it is super impressive. And yet, when I consider the car in total, I am back to my criticism: the car is, perhaps, for me, a too literal vision of a Ferrari supercar. I think they may have gone too far replacing emotion with impressive engineering. For me, with any great sports/super/ car, the starting point is the ingredients, but there is so much more, and its here that I am left wondering, a little bit, and for now. Because what remains, is to discover (as best we can) how it drives. It may be so incredible that it creates its own unique emotional experience. I’m keeping an open mind on that; but speaking for myself, at this very moment in time, I think the F80 would have been even better with a brand new V12 at its core.

 

makes sense seeing as the 360gt2 is faster than it around the track despite a ton less HP etc