Ferrari monoposto thread

Piloti: Thank you so much. I did try to persuade the publisher that adding the database would add to sales but sadly failed!

 

There should be a thread for each decade 50s, 60s, 70s..

 

Miura SV:
"Miura SV: Yes, 1951 375 F1 #5 was numbered as #1 for the Italian Grand Prix of that year.
1951 375 F1 #6 was numbered as #2 for that same race."

To clarify: Doug Nye had pointed out that the Automobile Club Di Milano, the organising club of the Italian Grand Prix, awarded extra starting money to cars made in Italy, which made their first appearance at this race...

 

Thank you. From the 1994 375 F1 Cavalleria book by Gino Rancati, which Doug Nye may have also contributed to, it states 375 F1 N.5 1951 entries/results as:

• German GP, Nurburgring, PieroTaruffi, 5th.
• Italian GP, Monza, Alberto Ascari, 1st.
• Spanish GP, Pedralbes, Barcelona, Alberto Ascari, 4th.

 

The information in the Rancati book has a few mistakes.
At the German GP Taruffi had 375 N.1. The photos show they are different cars.
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May I ask in which 375 F1 did Alberto Ascari win the 1951 German GP?

 

375/50-2, also the 1951 British GP winner.

 

Thank you. Results/chassis numbers all over the place then.

 

So which race or races did 375 F1 N.5 race in before the 1951 Italian Grand Prix?

 

None, it debuted at the Italian GP.

 

Please excuse me for being thick, but why did it have to be re-numbered to get extra start money, as stated in posts #33 and #53, if it debuted and therefore made its first appearance at the Italian GP?

 

I believe the Auto Cub of Milan paid money for a new model or series of race car, not a new individual car of an existing series. Hence, allegedly, Ferrari changed the numbering for this, and Villoresi's car.

 

Thanks.

 

Well, well, well.
Any written (period) proof for this?

Marcel Massini

 

No.

 

I understand that Ascari stood watching Gonzalez reel off lap after lap in the very well tested and absolutely reliable "old" 12 plug 1950 375F1 at Silverstream and supposedly demanded he have that car for the German GP. Pictures available prove he did indeed race 375-2 at the Nurburgring. It is also worth mentioning that Jenks was the Continental correspondent for Motorsport magazine and a stickler for recording chassis numbers on cars at each race he attended and his work provides a good guide to what was entered when. But of course the Italian teams were always quite happy to re-stamp a F1 car to reuse a carnet that had been issued for whatever country the car was entered in so even his fine work is only a good guide to what the car was claimed to be!

 

I wonder how many of these front engined cars still exist
over the years I found 35 cars were I have pics
nr 36 is in argentina. I don´t know if the car in the Balcarce Museum Fangio is the real one or a replica

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This car is, from the last that I read, the "long chassis" 013F.

 

Not just Italian teams. The factory entered Porsche 917s are a case in point. Chassis numbers were altered to suit carnets.... It's well documented. Going back to Ferraris, as Allan Morris pointed out, it's bodywork features, (number of louvres, placing of rivets, bulges), which are the clue to these Monopostos.

 

The question is, are/have documents being/been altered to suit higher market prices for cars that still exist today?

Bodywork details could change between races as the cars were developed. They are clues, but you'd have to look at details on all the cars of the same type in races through the season to properly identify each car given the chassis number changes.

 

Not as far as I know. but Ferrari sold the cars, numbered as number 1 and 2, (Built as No.5 and 6), to Rosier and Landi after the end of the 1951 season.

Marcel, you may be in a better position than me with Ferrari Archives to look at this. I wrote to them three times over the course of the last three years on this subject but they have never replied....

 

What a mess! So is the Perfetti car really number 2 or number 6?

 

Was Number 6, then number 1. I am told that it has engine number 6. Incidentally, Doug Nye, on TNF, wrote some time ago that he has a photo of the paddock during the 1951 Italian GP, showing both the "new" Number 2, (ex number 6), and the original Muletto number 2. So in 1951 there were two Number 1s and two number 2s....

 

This is what I did. Engine covers, and the lower chassis panel remained the same on the 375s in 1950 and 1951.

 

Apologies. I miscounted! Perfetti's 375 was Number 6, built in 1951, re-numbered for the Italian GP of 1951 as number 2, not number 1.